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EPISODE 490: “What The Hopi Knew And What It Means For You Right Now”

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In this episode of The Jim Fortin Podcast, Jim Fortin explores the ancient wisdom of the Hopi people and its startling relevance to the world unfolding right now. Drawing from a personal conversation with his shaman mentor Don Xavier—sparked by the appearance of Atlas, a rare interstellar object—Jim unpacks centuries-old Hopi prophecies that describe exactly the kind of world we are living in today: materialistic, imperialistic, and spiritually unmoored. Far from a doomsday warning, these prophecies are, as Jim frames them, a map—patterns that ancient peoples observed, documented, and passed down to guide future generations.

Jim traces humanity’s journey through four worlds, each destroyed by the collective disregard for spiritual teachings, and zeroes in on the Hopi’s most critical teaching for this moment: the choice between the path of two hearts and the path of one heart. The two hearts path—the upper path—is the zigzag of chasing money, ego, and external identity. The one heart path—the lower path—is the path of divine essence, peace, love, and stewardship of the earth. Every ancient prophecy Jim references, from Nostradamus to Edgar Cayce to Baba Vanga, converges on this same crossroads humanity faces right now, in 2026.

This is not a moment for passivity. It is, as Jim calls it, go time—not in a frantic way, but in a deeply intentional, spiritually grounded way. Listen closely.

What You’ll Discover in This Episode:

  • (02:53) The Hopi: peaceful stewards of consciousness. How the Hopi built an entire culture around a single purpose: maintaining balance with the earth and with consciousness itself.
  • (05:47) Two worlds diverging right now. Humanity is splitting into two distinct paths. One driven by money, ego, and greed, and the other by heart, soul, and spiritual stewardship, and both are visible in the world today.
  • (09:09) The fourth world and the patterns we keep repeating. How the Hopi described our current world as ruthless and materialistic, and why ancient prophecies from Cayce, Nostradamus, and Baba Vanga all point to this same moment in history.
  • (14:58) The Hopi’s two paths for the end of the fourth world. A closer look at the upper path (two hearts) and the lower path (one heart), and why outsourcing your identity to material things keeps you in disharmony with the energies shifting on the planet.
  • (17:53) Purification, not annihilation, and why now is go time. The Hopi were not predicting destruction; they were prophesying purification, and why spiritual evolution is the most urgent work any of us can do right now.
  • (20:50) The fifth world is an inner state available to you today. The next world the Hopi envisioned isn’t a geographic destination, it’s a consciousness that becomes accessible the moment you choose the path of one heart.

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Transformational Takeaway

The Hopi knew. Across centuries, they mapped the patterns of human civilization and left a clear message for this exact moment: the world does not change until the individual does. You are standing at the crossroads of two paths—one leading outward toward noise, hustle, and identity built from status and distraction; the other leading inward toward soul, peace, and consciousness that helps heal the planet. You don’t have to renounce the material world. You simply have to stop letting it define you. The fifth world isn’t coming someday. It is available right now, in the next choice you make. Which path are you on?

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You’re listening to the Transform Your Life from the Inside Out podcast. This episode is titled “What the Hopi Knew and What It Means for You Right Now.” A couple of months ago, I was on an afternoon car trip with Don Javier, and he started explaining to me, he started talking to me about Atlas. You may or you may not have heard of Atlas, but Atlas was an interstellar object that came within, I don’t know the exact distance, but within the Earth. But what scientists knew is it came from outside of this galaxy. And this basically corresponds to a Hopi prophecy from many, many years ago.

And the Hopis talked about also, and I’ve talked about this on prior episodes, but I want to dig a little bit deeper. The Hopis talked about the prophecies and the changes coming to the planet. And what I want to talk about on this episode are the potential changes coming to the planet and what that means to you right now. Keep listening.

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Okay, so the Hopi prophecies. I live in Sedona, Arizona, not far from the Hopi Reservation and completely off topic. But when you drive through the reservations, and I don’t know where you live in the world, but in Arizona, we have, you know, the Apache Reservation. We have the Hopi. We have the Navajo Reservations, all within just a couple of hours drive from Sedona, Arizona. And when you’re driving across the Hopi Reservation, it’s some of the most desolate, non usable, miserable land. And I look back and I’m like, you know, they were native to this land and they got kicked off their own land by the air quote, the white man. But if you’ve never been on a reservation, alcoholism is like at 60%, unemployment’s like at 60%, very, very miserable conditions.

But the Hopis, the ancient Hopis were known as the peaceful ones, the loving ones. And they lived in Northern Arizona. And they’ve lived there for over a thousand years. And they lived for over a thousand years without warfare. And they passed things down from generation to generation through oral tradition. So as I said today, I want to share things, Hopi prophecies, that correspond to something we’re seeing now, which is Atlas T1, T2, and T3. But mainly I want to talk about Atlas T1 and T2 and the prophecies.

So as I mentioned, the Hopis are very enduring people. They’ve lived for many thousands of years in the desert, and the last couple of hundred years in the desert without war. And they were also living in what many people would call inhospitable conditions, but they learned how to farm in inhospitable conditions. And people think many times, well, they’re primitive. They were not primitive. The Hopi, they were very deliberate. And their entire culture, which is why I’ve always gravitated to Hopi culture. I’ve always gravitated towards Native American teachings and philosophy and learning. But the Hopi, their entire culture was built around one thing, maintaining balance with the earth and with consciousness itself.

I’ll say it again. The entire Hopi culture is built around one thing, maintaining balance with the earth and with the consciousness itself. Another little off note here is there are many vendors in Sedona that sell Native American artifacts, everything from bracelets to kachina dolls to all kinds and any kind of Native American artifacts. There’s a store here in town that sells kachina dolls, which are the Hopi gods. And they have a lot of inventory. And I asked the lady who owned the store, what’s the difference between the Hopi and the Navajo kachina dolls. Now, again, no offense to any culture. I don’t know the truth, but I’ll tell you what she told me. She goes, the Hopi, they make all of their kachina dolls and things that they have, they make it with heart and soul. The Navajo, on the other hand, they make it for the money.

Two very different energies. Now, again, no disrespect to Navajo. I don’t know the truth of this, but this lady has owned this shop for 40 years. And many people come, many people, you see it all the time, coming from the reservations to sell their handmade artifacts, whether it be jewelry, again, or, you know, kachina dolls or whatever it might be, drums, whatever. They’re coming from the reservations and selling to here in Sedona. And then the store buyers in Sedona buy it and mark it up like four times the price. But where I wanted to go here is notice what the lady said to me, whether it’s truthful or not. But she said that the Hopi make all other things they bring, all their wares, from heart, from soul, from spirit. And the Navajo do it for the money.

Now, again, no offense to the Navajo because I do not know the truth. But here’s where I want to go to some degree in this episode. According to the Hopi, the world we’re living in right now, and I will dig into this, is literally becoming divergent. Two worlds: and the world of the money and the flash and the ego and the greed and the power. And then on the other side, the Hopis saw their role and the role of humanity as being the caretakers of Earth. It’s not about power. It’s not about greed. It’s not about artificial power and greed and money. But we are entrusted as stewards on the planet to maintain balance both on the planet and through our way of life.

The Hopi lived from the covenant of communing and connecting with divine mind, with the great spirit, with universal mind. So when we look at the Hopi prophecies, you know, again, it’s a prophecy. Many times we can think, well, okay, they’re just guessing about these particular things. But the Hopi prophecies really weren’t guesses. What they were is really a map. And they were showing us ways for humanity to live and ways for humanity to be.

Now, according to the Hopi, now this goes back to Atlas. Let me go back there for a moment. Don Javier and I, when we were in the car that day, he said that the appearance of the Atlas, and some people call it a comet. Some people call it an unidentified object. Some people even call it a spaceship. Call it whatever you want. Let’s just call it Atlas for right now. Some people speculate, and from the Hopi prophecies, the Atlas, this interstellar, which makes it very unusual, only the third time in recorded history that humans know of, that something came into this galaxy from outside of this galaxy.

Now, according to the Hopi, that is the beginning of these prophecies that I’m going to be talking about today. And the Hopi believed that we literally have passed through three previous worlds. And currently, we are living in what Hopi call the fourth world. Now, each world, literally, it ended due to human disregard for spiritual teachings. Let me slow down there. Each world ended, ceased to exist, due to the human disregard for spiritual teachings. So the first world was destroyed by fire. The second world was destroyed by ice. The third world was destroyed by a great flood.

And if you look at many events that are cataloged, that are talked about in major religion, Judeo Christian religion, Islamic traditions, well, there was a great flood. So the Hopi, really what they’re talking about is not that word that I use, prophecy. What they’re really talking about is patterns. Patterns that humans keep repeating. And the Hopi were meticulous enough that they could see the patterns and they could document the patterns and then they could predict what might happen to human beings in the future.

The Hopi described the fourth world, which is our world right now. And a couple of minutes ago, I said, I’m going to come back to this, and I’m coming back to it right now. The Hopi described the fourth world, the world we’re living in right now, as ruthless, materialistic, imperialistic. And it’s a world where humans express appetite for materialism, for inauthentic power, control, money.

Now, let me back up a little further. If you don’t like this comment, well, then you don’t like it, and that’s the way that it is. But if you look at other prophecies, you look at Edgar Cayce, you look at Baba Venga, you look at Nostradamus, they all correspond to the Hopi prophecy of what’s happening. And they all said very similar things. As a matter of fact, Edgar Cayce literally pinpointed the year 2026 and talked about the man of gold.

Now, look at the Oval Office today. What he was talking about, it appears to be what Edgar Cayce was talking about something like 70 years, 80, 90 years ago, was what we’re seeing now. A world that is led by leaders who are ruthless, materialistic, imperialistic, which is what we see the current administration trying to do, and an appetite for power and ego and fame and all these 3D things. And what’s happening is a reflection to the whole world. And this is what the Hopis saw coming. And what they were saying is basically at some point in history, you’re going to have this event that we’re having now, like in 2026.

Now, I don’t know what you follow and what you don’t follow. I don’t know what you read, you don’t read, who you listen to, who you do not listen to. But if you look at the prophecies, the Hopi prophecies, including the showing up and appearance of Atlas One, and you take a step back, you see it happening. And that’s why I said maybe prophecy isn’t the right word, but perhaps a warning to future generations.

Now, before I go any further, Don Javier and that car ride that day, he was saying we’re coming to a point in humanity. And by the way, Edgar Cayce said the same thing, as did Nostradamus and Baba Venga. He said that we’re coming to a point in humanity where the old ways don’t work anymore. Even my friend Gary Zukoff wrote a book called The Universal Human. He talks about the same thing. And some people think, well, that means a complete and devout Christianity. It means like Armageddon. And it means like the planet’s going to explode and all these kind of things. But that’s not what it is. It’s a shifting in humanity.

So a Hopi elder many years ago, I wrote his name down here. I really can’t pronounce it. But he was a Hopi elder named Dan Kachangova or something like that. Dan Kachangova. And the man lived to be 112 years old. And he talked about the signs. And he said things like, blood will flow. Nature will speak with mighty wind. There will be earthquakes and floods, changes in the seasons, disappearance of wildlife, and famine in different forms.

Look around. Some people call it climate change. But everything right now on the planet is completely disrupted. Whether it be economies, climates, social structures, we see a lot of this happening right now. Truthfully, I don’t have any clue. I have no clue what’s going to happen. But for me, my number one priority is that I work from discovering and living from the higher and highest aspect of my being, the highest level of my consciousness that I can exist from. And I feel going forward on the planet, that’s my role to hopefully impact more people.

And I’ve impacted millions of people as it is, but to impact more people and having them understand this, that it’s not about the material things. It’s not about the homes and the cars and the power and the money. And for God’s sakes, it’s not about make America great again. It’s about we’re all one. We’re all on the planet together. We are in this together, whether or not we recognize it. And it’s not for one to pollute the many.

So we have to look at where are we living from? Where are we living from spiritually? Where are we living from emotionally? And all these predictions, you know, there were Hopi prophecies where there was one elder talking about horseless wagons on black ribbons. What that’s interpreted to mean today is cars on asphalt. And then, you know, when you look at perhaps an aerial view, you see all the black ribbons, you see the highways.

The Hopi talked about people living in the sky. And some speculate that might be the International Space Station. Nostradamus used to speak at this current time, about this current time, of people speaking with metal tongues. Now, what’s postulated there is that Nostradamus was talking about computers, metal, mechanics, technology. They even predicted, you know, many years ago, the Hopi predicted a gourd of ashes falling from the sky. And some people are speculating that that must have meant, you know, the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

My whole point of this episode, and I’m speaking very slowly in this episode, slower than I normally do because I just want to convey perhaps the depth of this, the gravity of this. When I look at the world, and I’m not a doomsday sayer at all. That’s not my nature to, oh my God, the sky’s falling. But when I look at the world, and even when I’m extremely objective about it, because it’s very easy to not be objective, to be very subjective about things. But when I look at the ancient prophecies from the Hopis and Nostradamus and Baba Venga and Edgar Cayce, it seems to be unfolding right in front of us right now.

But what I really want to impart in this episode, I’m asking you to take a look at yourself, is the Hopi prophecy literally depicts two parallel paths that humanity may take at the end of the fourth world, which is where we are now. And there’s the upper path, which is the path of two hearts. Now, listen very carefully. The upper path is the path of two hearts. And if you’re living the upper path, the path of two hearts, now your life is like a zigzag: money, humbleness, money, humbleness, power, control, notoriety, whatever it might be. Oh yeah, I got to be spiritual again. That’s what the Hopi call the zigzag life. And that lifestyle, according to the Hopi and the others that I told you about and Don Javier that day we were in the car, is a path of living in disharmony. Living in disharmony with the energies that are happening on the planet.

The lower path is called the path of one heart. Now, again, the path of chasing money, ego, all these kind of things, is the path of two hearts. The lower path is called the path of one heart. And that is the path of living from divine essence, from living in the soulful knowing of you, from living from peace, from living in love, from living in compassion. And that’s where the Hopi said we need to be living from.

And in the car that day, Don Javier and I were talking about it. And he’s talked about this for many, many, I mean, decades now he’s talked about this. He and I even had a call, you know, talk about it maybe a month ago, all the changes that are happening. And he said, I told you 25 years ago, I told you all this, what happened? And now you’re seeing it happen. And candidly, that is a truism. Everything we’re seeing right now, he told me about decades ago. Part of me dismissed it like, nah, who knows, whatever, we’ll see. Guys flipped his lid. Not literally, but I, you know, and now I work for him, okay, I’m just seeing it happen.

Basically in my mind, to put it into colloquialism, this is what I call go time. And I don’t mean any kind of rushed kind of way, any kind of erratic kind of way, but go time. And basically what I’m telling you is it’s time to get your shit together. And I don’t mean financially, I don’t mean in any other way except spiritually. Which, by the way, I didn’t recognize it until just now, which is why I said several months ago, because I was already feeling it, I want to go in a completely different direction with the podcast. I don’t really want to be peak performance anymore. I don’t want to be about achievement anymore. I want to be about spiritual evolution. And I want to start spreading the message about spiritual evolution, growth, and harmony on the planet.

And as you look outside, if we don’t need it now on this planet, then when? When are we going to finally recognize we really need to be living in a different way as a species? But guess what? It’s not the species because it starts with you. So what I want to point out is that the Hopis were not predicting annihilation. What they were prophesying is purification. And the question I have for you, if somebody actually forced you to pick, which world are you going to be in? Two heart world or the one heart world? Which one are you going to pick? Which side are you going to be on?

So I just raised the question, which path are you on right now today? Think about that. Get insightful with that. Get introspective about that. What path are you on today? Because the two heart path, meaning the upper path, it’s not about being, and I’m not saying this at all, and there is no judgment behind it. It’s not about being a bad person. People that are on the two path, they’re living externally. They’re chasing the material, the noise, the distraction. Basically, they’re doing a word that I’ve said for many, many years and a word that I’ve literally done a lot of work with people on: identity.

When you’re living on the upper world, the two heart path, you’re outsourcing your identity to the external world. Think about that. When you’re living on the two hearts path, you’re outsourcing your identity to things outside of yourself. Materialism and noise and all these things that are happening in the world. Now, what I do want to say also, what I’m not saying is that you cannot have material things. I’m not saying that at all. Far from it. I want abundance for you. I want a lot of abundance for you. What I’m saying is by identity, do not define yourself by material power, material money, material distraction, and material noise. That literally keeps you on the two hearts path and it takes you further away from spiritual evolution.

So we want to find this space in ourself, this space where our soul can start to flourish. So again, I want to reemphasize whatever path you’re on, that is your choice. That is your free will. And this is not about making you bad. It’s not about making you good or any of that. Because guess what? Let’s say that you are living more on the path of two hearts. You can change that. You have the power to change.

The Hopi have clearly said, because I was talking to Don Javier about this one time many years ago, and I said we’re at a critical juncture of the evolution of humanity. You know, earlier I talked about the Hopi talking about animal species and different things. You may or may not know this, but right now, humans, through their own actions, have literally destroyed 60% of animal species on the planet. But you know what? Don Javier in this conversation was saying, you know, we can’t bring those back, but we can change our ways. And it’s critical.

At this time on our planet, we love Pachamama, which is Mother Earth. We love, we care for the planet that we live on. We choose peace, we choose love, and we choose respect for the Earth. And the Hopi would say, that’s not a collective statement. It’s not about we as a species, because it all starts with one person. It starts with you. And the question I have for you, if this resonates with you, is are you living on the path or are you ready to start living on the path?

So the fifth world, the world that’s coming, what I do not want you to think is, okay, it’s a world of, okay, people that are on two hearts path, they live in that neighborhood, but I’m on the one heart path and I live in this neighborhood. I live in this part of town. They live in that part of town. It’s not that at all. It’s not physical. The fifth world, as the Hopi described it, isn’t some distant event. It’s not some proximity thing. It’s an inner state. It’s an inner state of being. And that state is available to you right now. And it’s available to anyone that’s willing to do the work of returning to their own consciousness.

Which is why I’m going a new direction with the podcast I started talking about in January. I’m doing more and more of it now. For example, the cart’s open this week for the final TCP, the transformational coaching program. When you’re listening to this episode, it’s not going to be available anymore. I’ve had over 7,000 people from 28 different countries go through that program. And that entire program is about the evolution of your 3D identity, meaning you and the life you’re living in and what you create and how you live and your money and your wealth and your finances and your relationship, but it’s all 3D.

And where I’m going now is, okay, let’s crack open and all of my work that I’m going to be bringing, let’s crack open consciousness and let’s start living from knowing that we are first consciousness. Because when we live from the soulful consciousness and what comes with that, now we’re actually evolving into the fifth world, but we’re on the lower path, which is the path of heart and peace and care and nurturing for Pachamama, Mother Earth, for our fellow beings as well.

And right now it’s unfortunate, but I guess it’s part of evolution. You look around in the world and look at the amount of leaders that have no care for the well being of other people, whether that be here in the U.S. Whether it be, let’s say, and I’m just picking a country, Iran, and what they’re doing, or other countries at war, maybe Putin. Do we have the care and the love for our brothers and sisters?

So this is what I want to leave you with. Here’s your transformational takeaway. Which path, and I asked you earlier, if you look at your life right now, which path are you living from? I mean this respectfully. If you’re listening to, let’s say, Gary Vaynerchuk. That’s great. I don’t listen to the guy. I don’t follow the guy. I know who he is. That’s great. But what path are you on? And I’m not indicting Gary Vaynerchuk in any way. I don’t know him personally. I don’t know. But it’s all about basically, as I understand, getting shit done and performance and making money and grinding till your eyeballs bleed, as I’ve heard him say before, and crap like that.

What path are you on? And again, I’m going to be repetitive. I’m not saying you can’t have everything you want in life. But what I’m saying is what is the consciousness creating it? Is it the consciousness of the two heart world or the consciousness, which is the zigzag, and the money, the materialism? Or is it from the consciousness of the one heart world? And that is connecting as essence, as soul, with things around us. In shamanism, that’s called anima mundi, connecting with your entire environment. So are we connecting from the one heart or the two hearts? Choice is yours. Thanks for listening, and I’ll catch you over on another episode. Bye bye.

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