You’re listening to the Transform Your Life from the Inside Out podcast. This is a throwback episode to episode number 115 titled Spirituality, Business, and Prosperity. Now, if you’ve listened to the regular episodes, you know that I’m actually, I’m sharing content at a much deeper spiritual level than perhaps surface level spirituality. But in this particular throwback episode, I talk about spirituality, business, and prosperity. And many people… don’t recognize that the most powerful thing you can do spiritually, at least relative to the 3D, is to become wealthy. It’s a really fun episode. Have a good time. James has made millions. I have made millions as well over the years. So perhaps you’ll enjoy the episode and find that also you can enjoy attracting and making millions of dollars per year when you actually just shift your mindset and your approach just a bit to business. and spirituality and prosperity. Enjoy the episode.

 Hi, I’m Jim Fortin and you’re about to start transforming your life from the inside out with this podcast. I’m widely considered the leader in subconscious transformation, and I’ve coached super achievers all around the world for over 25 years. Here, you’re going to find no rah-rah motivation and no hype because this podcast is a combination of brain science, transformational psychology, and ancient wisdom all rolled into one to take your life to levels you’ve never thought possible. If you’re wanting a lot more in life, to feel better, to heal, to have peace of mind. to feel powerful and alive, and to bring more abundance and prosperity into your life, then this podcast is for you because you’re going to start learning how to master your mind and evolve your consciousness. And when you do that, anything you want then becomes possible for you. I’m glad you’re here.

Today’s episode, I am, as you know, I don’t have any guests. I’ve only had one guest per se. And my entire time of doing this podcast, and he’s one of my closest friends, a guy named James Wedmore. James is a leader in the internet marketing industry, and his niche is building businesses, online businesses, and very successful ones. And I know that a lot of you are online entrepreneurs and entrepreneurs and business people. And I wanted to share in this episode… concepts, mental concepts, spiritual concepts that I use to grow my business. And then the concepts I want James to talk to you about that he uses to grow his business. Now, a few years back, I was James’s coach. And when I met him, he was doing about $1.5 million per year in revenue. And in a matter of 18 months and going through coaching with me, he went from $1.5 million to $9.4 million. in a matter of literally 18 months or thereabouts. James is very, very spiritual, metaphysical, but definitely very spiritual. And he brings those very same practices into his business, which is what I want him to share with you guys today. Now, many people have the illusion that spirituality and wealth are not compatible. And I say the reverse of that. And it’s something that I learned from the Science of Getting Rich by Wallace Waddles many years ago. And something that he said was in his book, and the book’s literally, I think, 100 years old or thereabouts. He says that the most powerful thing that you can do is you can become rich. And that’s powerful. And a lot of people, you know, I think I was that way many years earlier, we disdain money. And what I want to share with you is that the wealthier that you are, the more people that you can serve for the most part. Meaning you really don’t see poor people. You don’t see people in homeless shelters. You don’t see destitute people changing the world for the most part unless they’re a political leader or Mother Teresa. But mind you, she had the Catholic Church behind her, which is a very wealthy organization. But one of the most powerful things that you can do is become wealthy. All right. I want to mention here also. A good friend of mine, his name is Akio Matsumura. Akio is the only private citizen in the world to bring together 1,000 world leaders six times. And when I say world leaders, I mean literally the Dalai Lama, Mother Teresa, Carl Sagan when he was alive, Mahatma Gandhi’s grandkids. I mean, literally world leaders. Akio is a spiritualist, and as I said, a very good friend of mine, and I used to assist him in many ways a few years back. We’re still friends today. But many years back, he was nominated by Mikhail Gorbachev, and this is already after the fall of the Soviet Union, which, by the way, Akio actually convinced Mikhail Gorbachev for the first time in 75 years to allow a spiritual leader inside the Kremlin for one of Akio’s events, which the Soviet Union was hosting in 1992. And for the first time in 75 years, a spiritual leader set foot inside the Kremlin, and that was the Dalai Lama, who is also a friend of Akio’s. But Akio was sitting here in my house one day, and I want to share something profound that he said to me. And by the way, he literally is a global luminary. I mean, he’s advised the last six secretary generals of the UN, kings, presidents, prime ministers. I mean, this man is advised. And we’re sitting in the living room. And he said to me, he goes, Jim, if you truly want to make a difference in the world, help people make money. And then he said, he said, you see, you can help people with God. But the thing is this, people can’t eat God. People, obviously, they need money, they need food, and they need sustenance. And if you truly want to help people, help them learn sustenance, help them learn how to create money and how to create wealth. So I talk about it, obviously in this podcast and many different episodes, but that’s my approach is that the wealthier that I can become, the more people that I can impact. Because I don’t know who you are listening right now or where you are in the world, and I’m very grateful for you listening, but these episodes literally cost me money and a lot of it. I have an entire team of people that assist me, everything from editing, which I don’t do a lot of. But if my editor goes through the episode, the publishing and getting it on my website and everything else, I mean, this isn’t free. At least it’s not for me. But when I share my message with you, part of my message is that I want you. I want you to be wealthy because, see, when you’re wealthy, then you can actually take better care of yourself and your family and your friends, and you actually are in a better position to make more of an impact in the world. So in this episode, I visit with one of my closest friends and somebody again that I’ve coached, and he’s assisted me in business as well, is Mr. James Wedmore. Now, James runs a program called BBD, Business by Design. And as I said, James has gone from 1.5 million to 9.4 million in one point, all like, my numbers are mixed up here, literally in 18 months to two years and definitely under two years. The reason that I tell you that is you’ll hear in our conversation, which, by the way, is completely unscripted. We just hop on. He didn’t even know what I want to talk about. But obviously, I want to talk about wealth. So we kid each other. We’re friends. We’re metaphorically. We’re a spiritual family. So you’re going to hear us just banter back and forth and talk back and forth. But the whole thing is this. What I want him to share with you and what I want you to take from this are the principles that is helping him make such an impact. in the world. And I also wanted you to hear it from somebody else’s perspective, because literally I could have pretty much said everything to you that’s in that episode. But I think it’s good also when you get perspective from someone else and you hear it from a different perspective and their take on things. Sometimes it’s that little bit of that aha that we need to have the epiphany to transform. One more thing here, and then I’m going to hop in here with James. is that also he at some point soon will be offering a, I think it’s an eight part video series. And what I want to point out to you is that if you are an entrepreneur and in particular, an online. entrepreneur you definitely want to actually watch his entire series from beginning to end and you’ll see the link to that series at some point in my show notes my team will let you know about it but what i’m what i’m sharing right now is when we make that available to you or he does or however my team does it Watch the entire series because he’s somebody that helps a tremendous amount of people all around the globe build very successful online businesses. And I want to share with you also right now in the age of COVID-19 that… The businesses that are doing the best are not the brick and mortar businesses. They are online businesses. And if you’ve ever thought about starting an online business or you have one and you want to actually significantly grow it, then whatever you do, you may want to follow James. He’ll tell you more about where you can follow him at the end of this episode. All right. One more thing. Is episode number 116 coming up next? The title of that episode is going to be back with a normal content here at the podcast is going to be setting up altars and morning rituals and intentions. Okay. Enjoy this interview and I’ll catch you over on another episode and enjoy James and let me put it this way and enjoy the visit that James and I are having so that you can learn and grow and become more prosperous. Okay. Catch you later. Bye-bye.

Okay, so today, guys, I’m talking to the one and only James Wedmore. It better be one and only. The one and only. And if you don’t know who James is, he’s a spiritual brother, a very good friend, a mentor of mine when it comes to building an online business. I’ve worked with James for many years now in different ways. And he didn’t even know what I want to ask him about in this episode or what I want to talk about. But James, you might not know this. The podcast a few months ago, after I got out of the hospital, I decided that I wanted to go more into shamanism and specifically spirituality in the podcast. It doesn’t mean that I completely got rid of the brain-based approach and brain-based habits and all that kind of stuff, but I’ve gone to a more spiritual bent. So that being said, what I want to talk about today, guys, before we dig in here, James, I don’t know if you’re comfortable sharing, and if you’re not, then that’s fine. but you have built a multiple, multiple seven-figure-per-year business, right? You’re an industry leader in what you do, which we’ll talk about a little bit. But here’s the reason I wanted you on today. As you know, I don’t have guests on the podcast, but I would say probably 95% of people that listen are business entrepreneurs, professional people, especially online entrepreneurs. The reason that I wanted to invite you on, because our topic today, in line with spiritualism, is I want to talk to you about spiritual practices in business that you’ve also used to grow near a $10 million per year business. And I want to keep it spiritual. So the first place I want to go is, what do you think the most overlooked spiritual principle is in business? Oh my gosh. You know, I just want to say, first of all, I’m learning all of what we’re talking about today, as you guys are. Jim likes to do that. I know. I did this intentionally because I want, no thought of this, I want because you’ve used everything in you to create a near $10 million per year business. And I wanted that to come out live in this episode so you share with them. And it’s not varnished and it’s not thought through. And I do want to talk about that 10 million for just a second before we answer your question, because, you know, just to confirm that all this stuff is, it becomes, you know, these kind of stupid numbers, right? That we put meaning and see, oh, six figure, seven figure, eight figure and all that stuff. And, you know, we ended last year at just over nine and a quarter million in total revenue, total sales. Okay, not profit or like my personal take home or anything. We have a big team and, you know, rent, payroll, stuff like that. But we actually had an opportunity. to get to 10 million with one of our offers, one of our programs. We shut it down. And I say that, you know, knowing that we would have crossed that mark. And I’m actually just really proud of my team and us for making that decision because it really isn’t about those numbers. You know what I mean? And I’ve told Jim this and I’ll tell anybody this is like, hey, more money will be such an indicator of the more impact that you’re having in the world. Your life doesn’t really, couldn’t get any better because you go from 9 million to 10 or from 1 to 10, you know what I mean? And so for us to just kind of let go of those meanings of the significance of what those numbers are is so important because I had a mastermind member come to me recently and it really was illuminating for me saying, James, I didn’t pay you all this money because of how successful you are, because of how much money you’ve made. I paid you. Because I keep hearing about all the other people you’ve helped. That’s what I care about. And I think there are so many people that are like, let me show you what I’ve done. Let me show you my accomplishments. Let me show you how awesome I am. And I think it’s really an opportunity for us to say, for tomorrow’s leaders today, to start saying, look at my people that I’ve helped. Look to them. Look at what they’ve accomplished. Look to them for proof of what’s possible. That’s just kind of pieces coming up for me. So what is the, gosh, you stumped me, you SOB. What is the most overlooked principle, spiritual principle in… in business now before you go on i’m going to give you time to think for a second so everyone i’ve been thinking i’m going to give you time to think here so you’re not stalling but guys i james is james and i are very close we’re like family he’s actually in sedona arizona right now yeah and he’s been visiting with my brother -in-law the shaman who he knows and he’s worked with for a couple of years now so james brings a heavy dose of shamanism spirituality, and we’ll even call it a woo-woo metaphysics into his business. So when I invited him here, I knew that inviting him would be an opportunity for you guys. I do really well, but I’m kind of like the parent. You know, when your parent tells you something, you’re kind of like, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, whatever. I don’t want to hear it. So I say things to people and they don’t always get it, but I knew if I brought you here, a lot of people would know who you are. They can Google you. You’ve got this. extraordinarily successful business. And I wanted to bring spiritual concepts that you’ve embodied in your business down the practicality and practical application for people that are listening. So they’re like, boom, okay, I can use my spirituality in my business. But let’s go there first. I’ll let you off the hook for a moment. No, no, you’re not letting me off the hook. No, we’re going to get there. But here, let’s go here first. What does spirituality in business mean to you? What spirituality gave me? And that’ll answer your question is it gave me a different context through which I experienced everything that I was doing. Okay. So it gave spirituality in business. meaning. It gave me meaning and purpose and allowed me to see myself and what I was doing from a larger, bigger context. And it, even in the most subtle way, shifted things from this is life happens to you to life happens for you, that it’s all rigged in your favor. And that kind of leads to what was coming up for me when you asked that original question. And I know Don Javier has said this. And I really took that to heart. The phrase, pain is a blessing. And that alone you could chew on forever because it’s really hard for a lot of people right now. That’s a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow, especially during this time. It’s easy for you to say, but it is because we can all look back at moments of our life, whether it’s in business or in other areas of life, where we went through hard times and look at who we became. when we came out the other end of that. And imagine when you start to go into those problems, into those struggles and into those hard times, knowing that this is serving me, this is for my growth, for my evolution. And that context is, you know, because I’m sitting there going, this is what’s going to allow me to evolve on a spiritual level. This is what’s going to allow me to gain more. And then I go, and so I can give more. And so what ends up happening, is I’m not suffering as much and as long, I move through things faster. Because it’s like, okay, it’s like going to class. You’ve heard that cheesy cliche. It’s kind of cheesy. Life is like a school, but what’s the difference between school and life? It’s like in school, you learn the lesson, then you take the test. But in life, you take the test to see if you learn the lesson. And when you know that these are these moments where you’re learning, I feel like you become the teacher’s pet. and you just kind of accelerate through them. And so what, what was such a beautiful, um, synchronistic, you know, Don of your talk so much about, you know, synchronicity, right. Is when you and I connected in, in my life was two weeks before I went through probably one of the most challenging times in my life. And I won’t really get into the specifics, but, um, you know, there was, there was like, you know, legal scary stuff that would start to manifest as what most entrepreneurs become their, you know, deepest, darkest nightmare that everything’s going to be taken away from you. Yeah. And, you know, Jim at that time really helped assist in infusing these principles into my life. Cause it’s one thing to know them, right? We both talk about this all the time. It’s like, no, oh yeah, I’ve heard that before. It’s like, yeah, when are you going to start? Yeah. And I, I don’t know. And I’ve told this to Jim, like, you know, to your face so many times, it just sounds, I sound like a broken record because like, I don’t know where I’d be today if I didn’t have that guidance to go through that time. Because what, what you’re coaching and, and this conversation of spirituality did for me is it gave me the light at the other end of that tunnel, knowing that it’s going to be, it’s going to be better. It’s going to be okay. This is happening for you. It’s not the end of the world. This is part of something and it’s here for you. And I cannot, that’s how we, It’s that same time that we went from $2 million to $9 million in 18 months. I have a CFO consultant. He’s retired, so he does this for fun. He’s a CFO. He was the CFO for freecreditreport.com. Took that company to millions, millions, millions of months, right? And then they sold the company and he does this for fun. He consults with different businesses. He goes, I’ve never worked with a company that’s grown that fast ever. I’ve never seen it. And he’s like, what’s your secret? I’m like, oh, just go through more pain. Go through more problems. And I really grew so much through that. And I think that’s what it gives me. Yes, it’s like this purpose and bigger meaning that’s driving you forward. But then there’s this faith and trust that this is here serving you. And I don’t know how much that resonates with you, Jim, but you start to like… have a little bit more, um, fearlessness, you know, like it’s going to be okay. What am I worried about? And it was, it was scary, you know, the things I went through and this is the last thing and then I’ll stop is was, was something I wouldn’t wish on anybody. But there was also that thought that was coming up in the back of my mind, which was at least on the other end of this, I’ll be able to help others go through the same. And I kid you not about a week after this was all done. one of my clients came to me and they were in the same exact situation and I was there for them, you know, and, um, that’s what it means to me is it gives me meaning. Okay, so let me go somewhere. You know, you’ve done your own podcast. I think you’ve got 4 million downloads now. Five and a half, bro. Keep up. Sorry, I’m not keeping up. You know, you do a lot of your own podcasts and your guests, and I am too. And later you listen maybe to part of the podcast. You’re like, oh, I didn’t get to my point, or I didn’t make it succinct enough. What I want to do is take what you said and drill that down a little more. So am I hearing you say, To entrepreneurs and business people and spirituality and business, the way you’re approaching it, am I hearing you say that we should embrace the pain that we’re going through because most of us fight it? So from your perspective is that we embrace it and then use that to grow, whereas most people use it to deter themselves from growing their business. Am I on the right track with interpreting it? I think so. If the opposite of embrace is avoid or resist. than 100%. I’ve been using this metaphor a little bit about, we all know these quotes like, what do you do when you fall off the horse? You get back on. We all know that. But how many of us are living our life and running our business trying to avoid falling off the horse? I don’t want to fall off the horse. I don’t want to fall off the horse. I don’t want to fall off the horse. And you get what you focus on, ironically, right? And so to me, it’s like, I know I’m going to fall off the horse. We all fall off the horse. And that’s the indicator that you’re in the field. You’re playing the game. You’re doing the work. You’re going to fall off your horse. It’s the game isn’t don’t fall off the horse. It’s how fast can I get back on? Okay. Resilience. Yeah, it’s resilience. I do like embracing. It’s embracing the pain. It’s looking for the gifts and the lessons and the learnings through the pain because that’s where you pay. That’s when you pay attention. That’s when you finally dig your heels in and say, I got to figure this out. Something’s not working. What am I missing? And you’ve heard those quotes before, right? Success is a crappy teacher, right? So it’s because in those, when everything’s great, you’re just like, you kind of, I don’t know, most people, they just kind of like, whatever, I’ll cut out work early today, you know, and they’re not really paying attention. It’s like problems kind of force us to pay attention for most of us. Okay, so I hear you. And where we are, where I started with you, I kind of sideswiped you. And I did it for a reason because I just wanted to see where it was going to go. But I want to go a different direction here and ask you, what do you think, if you had one in mind, what would be the most powerful spiritual principle in business? I don’t know how to put it into words, so maybe you can help me put like those. Well, James, it says a podcast and they’re not going to sit here and read our minds. So we have to put it in there. No, you’re going to put it into a cool word. I don’t really have the law of mind. I know. But the more I’ve understood how much we’re creating from the inside out and creating from our mind. Okay. So what principle is that? Reciprocity of a lot. Reciprocity. Reciprocity also could be. Aini, which we’ve talked about. The only guest we’ve ever had here is you. And we’ve talked about Aini. Aini from the inside out. Aini to ourselves. Aini is ancient Incan for reciprocity of life. Well, that’s going to be very beneficial. And I’ve used that to help people overcome a lot of the fears. And I’m sure you have too. People have a lot of qualms around selling. right i feel guilty about asking and then when you start to understand that like no that exchange has to take place so you’re actually doing someone a disservice that becomes very you know beneficial um no whatever like you know the law of mind like just like you know uh that your thoughts become things that you’re creating from the inside out you know um just the law of intention um that like When you can get so powerful and so clear and so out of resistance and just make a decision like, this is what I’m doing. You know, you and I have had these conversations where you’re like, you know, and you always love to rib me where you’re like, I’m going to surpass you by this date. You know, I’m going to, I’m going to double your downloads. I’m going to smoke, you know, but we, we jab each other, but you’re saying it with such intent that we both know, you know, it’s like, maybe you won’t pass me, you know, but the point is, is like, when you say it with such that like conviction, yeah knowing and then it’s really just about getting out of your own way and that so much people are creating and then uncreating creating and then uncreating and they don’t see how much of the energy that they’re of their own creative energy they’re diffusing and giving to the part of them that’s actually pushing away that which they want you know that i want this but i i want success and i’m afraid of failure or what i want to do this launch but what will they say or what would they think or what if they don’t like it or what if it doesn’t sell and You know, I just, we’ve talked about this, but I even think the biggest thing that was a huge, biggest takeaway for me when people said like, what was your biggest takeaway when working with Jim? I think just realizing how powerful you are, realizing how powerful your thoughts are, realizing how powerful your attention is. And I think we’ve been raised with the lie that we’re not powerful. Okay. That’s okay. Thank you right there because you guys can’t see because we’re doing obviously audio podcasts, but I’m watching, we’re talking via Zoom. That’s what I was looking for right there is I knew there was a nugget in there somewhere. So I think people don’t recognize how James is grinning and like, yes, I know this. Yeah, I got it. You know, somewhere in that there’s something, I guess we can, we can, we’ll edit the rest out. We’ll take the other 70, you know, 750 words out, but we will use that. You know, I’m going to, I’m going to interview James, but I only want it to be what I wanted to say. Okay, okay. This part of the edit now too, yeah. That was really good. No, we’re not editing anything. No, I’ll repeat that and then we’ll get back into our groove. But we are so much more powerful than we realize. When did we learn that in school? I think our parents told us, you can be anything you set your mind to. And it’s kind of the last, then it just becomes lip service. What’s interesting is you actually, because I didn’t want to keep you too long, I wanted some really strong nuggets, and you actually knocked out my second question, which was, what do you think the most overlooked thing is in business? Which was basically, based upon listening to you, people don’t recognize how powerful they are. I have another one, too, to add to that, because it’s what’s been coming up for me, too. Again, I don’t know what these are as laws or principles, but I think it’s the law of dharma. uh or purpose you know whatever you want to call it that this this idea that um or law that you’re here for a reason you’re here for a purpose like you’re here to serve a function and you know maybe the first part of your life is to figure out what that is um and then the second part is is to you know live your life from that that path and um why i think that’s not um or it’s overlooked is because what you see is a lot of people that come into an industry like wanting to start a business and they get greedy and they get in survival mode and they get fearful and they get really comparisonitis and so they look at what jim’s doing or they look at what james is doing and look at what so-and-so is doing and they say oh they’re successful i’ll do that and they copy on what they see on the surface not realizing that what they’re copying was this is what us figuring out what our expression of our purpose is, of what our path is, of what we’re here to do, not necessarily yours. And that the reason that these people that you’re copying or looking to are successful is because they’re following their purpose. And it’s your job to follow yours. And when you operate from that place, you realize that you don’t need to be in a fear of, what if I don’t have a purpose? It’s operating from the context of… in knowing that that exists for you. And it is about discovering that. And it took me a long time to figure that out. And it might take someone else. But when you’re in alignment with that, I think that’s when the floodgates can really open for you. Because I told Jim before, he says, how are you doing? I said, hey, it’s been a long day. I’ve been on podcasts all day. But at the same time, it doesn’t feel like work. I’m not tired at six o’clock at night. Because we’re doing what we love and we love what we do. Yeah, let me add there. So a little context here is that I have the impact I have because, well, it’s like the synchronicity. We met when you needed me and when I needed you in our lives. And we basically just propelled each other in different ways. You had said to me, and I still find it interesting that you had said, well, if I had not met you, Jim, and you were not coaching me, I know me, I would have crashed my business and all this kind of stuff. And I’m like, Dude, that’s a day’s work. It’s an hour’s work. No big deal. I didn’t even think about it. And apparently that was a very big deal to you. But me meeting you and being on your very first podcast has sent my business into the stratosphere. And though we’re personal friends, we hang out at each other’s houses and everything. I mean, I think the reason I invited you is because you demonstrate, you’re not just blabbing like a lot of people, you demonstrate extreme success and you’re very spiritual. Now, let me go back here and add something. I was thinking today that looking at numbers in 2020, 2018, 19, and 20, because I’m extremely aligned with the Transformational Coaching Program. That’s what I do. And you said three years ago, I want to help you get your program out there to more people. We will do, in three years, over $8 million in revenue from that program. Now, if it wasn’t for corona, we would have done over $10 million in three years. And I was on Brandon’s podcast recently. you guys listening, he’s a mutual friend of ours. And he’s like, how did you go into the stratosphere so quickly? I mean, nobody, how, how did you grow that fast? And my interpretation is, is because my Dharma, this is what I’m here to do. Now I want to, I use that as an example, but I want to take that back because you coach. specifically entrepreneurs and online CEOs and digital CEOs. My programs are more for anybody that wants to transform their life. So I would say you’re more of an expert on a daily basis working with these people. How many people do you think don’t live their dharma in their business? They’re doing business that they shouldn’t even be doing in the first place. And why do you think you’re doing that? How many stats have we heard of like, what’s the percentage of people that are successful, right? It’s a small percentage, right? And when we say success, we’re talking about financial success in business. And so you hear people saying like, eight out of 10 businesses fail in the first 18 months, right? So it’s like, let’s just say 80 to 90%. So the 10% of people that are… financially successful. Then you got to say, but out of those 10%, how many of them are doing it from that same place, that same dharma? Because people can make money doing something they hate, and then they get burnt out. So it’s less than that. It’s less than that. And look, going back to what you were talking about, I’ve had people, I’m not going to say anything bad, but your episode blew up. Because it was like you were speaking this authentic, aligned message that you were here to say, to speak about, to share. And people resonated with that, right? We’ve both talked about that energetic signature that your message carries with it and who it’s attracting. I can’t tell you the amount of people that have tried to be the mockingbird, the mimic of your message from that episode to try and get on the show or try and do the same thing. And it’s exactly what I’m talking about, is stop trying to copy somebody because they’re successful doing X, Y, Z. They’re not successful because they did that. They’re successful because they’re in alignment with their dharma. And these people that tried to copy that, it fell flat. I remember. Thank you. And so for everyone listening, which I’m going to tell you in any way, if you’re in business, please go listen to James’s podcast. What do you call it again? Something, something, blah, blah. What’s the name again? Shut up. The funny story actually is that Mind Your Business, you actually owned that domain. Well, I was going to tell them, many years ago, I used to own the domain mindyourbusiness.com. Think about that. That’s crazy. I know. I know it’s back in 2001 or 2002. And then I meet you in 2017, and your podcast is called… Mind Your Business podcast. For all of you that listen to my podcast, you guys know that I don’t have guests. He’s the only guest that I’ve ever had here. It’s because I believe in him and I know him spiritually. Otherwise, there’s no way he’d be here in front of you guys. I wouldn’t bring him here. But that episode in his podcast was episode number 114 that just hit the stratosphere. And then you and I were in Sedona a year and a half ago when we went, my partner and I went with you and your wife. Because you wanted to buy a house in Sedona. So we just spent four days there before Christmas. And guess what? We ended up buying a house that April. And then you just now bought one a year or something later. So you went to look for it. You bought two houses. You went to look for a house. And we’re the ones who end up buying a house. But you and I were sitting on the deck about episode 114. And you’re like, Jim, I had somebody else on the podcast. who talked about stuff similar as you, and I want to see how her numbers do compared to your numbers, meaning downloads. Now, we haven’t talked about it since then, and as I understand, she didn’t hit my numbers. So what I’d like to do here is you used the word that I really would like you to talk a little more about. Maybe we don’t need to. It’s pretty simple. But the reason that podcast landed so hard and made the impact that it made, it was… a while, your number one downloaded podcast for quite some time, was because of the energy coming through me in that episode, which you called your energetic signature. What is, in your mind, well, okay, what is an energetic signature, even though you might have answered it, and how do we use that in business? And I think I’m also going to add to that. I think it’s, you know, not to take away any credit to your, you know, perfectic. perfect you know amazingness of who you are you know are you making fun of me are you talking to the audience i’m like who’s he talking to them or me we’re talking to jim okay but i also think it’s a co it’s a co-creative um uh dance of of energies you know and it’s like i have this this audience and then and then they’ve primed with that and then you bring that in there and it was like this perfect you know, concoction of energy. Right. And you’ve had, you’ve brought that same, look, I’m just going to say it too, so that we don’t make Jim’s head too big here. You’ve brought that same energy to other, another podcast. And it was like, wah, wah, wah. You’re like, man, I, I didn’t feel it with that host. I didn’t feel it with them. I didn’t really pull that best stuff out of me. Like what happened? And so it’s like this, your energetic signature combined with this, this. you know, this energy that happens on the call and it creates something. So you’re saying, what is that energetic signature? I don’t know. I’m just going to use a metaphor. To me, it’s like a net. It’s a net that starts to cast a net over people that are already in the vibrational frequency of seeking that answer. They’ve already cast, as Abraham Hicks would say, that rocket of desire of saying, I’m looking for this. I’m yearning for that. I want this. And you’re bringing that true, authentic answer. And it’s not just words. Look, I’m going to say this. I have had people on my show or talk to people in person or whatever, and surface level, great money, success, all the numbers, all the money. And they’ll say things and you can feel it. It’s flat. It’s hollow. And then someone can say something. You guys all know what I’m talking about. Maybe you’ve had it from Jim on the show many times. Or maybe he says something you’ve heard 10 times before, but the way it was said, the time it was said, where you were when it was said mentally and emotionally, it’s just like it hit you at your core. It goes so much deeper than just what, you know, it’s just like a transcript of an episode is just, it’s 3D. But like the message is so much depth that it like, it hits somebody at their soul. It speaks to them at such a deeper level. And, you know, I do fumble a lot. I’m not a very, I’ve had, I’ve shared stages with some pretty impressive speakers. I’m not, it’s not to say big names. I’m saying people that are like really good at speaking. Man, you are succinct. Man, you don’t have a single um or ah or whatever. And I’ve never taken speaking training. And I actually don’t want to at this point because I don’t want to make this too much of a head thing and I got to make it too structured or whatever. And I’ll be sloppy in comparison. Right, right. But it’ll hit them somewhere else. And I never want to lose that. I want there to be that energy behind it. And I don’t know how else to describe it beyond that because it is something almost indescribable. I don’t know if you have something to add. Well, so to take, to drill that down, what I’m hearing you say is, which we talk about a lot here in the podcast is, which I wanted you here as to basically, I wanted them to hear another perspective from somebody who’s done very, very well. You’re literally in the top one 10th of 1% of income earners and even businesses, small businesses in terms of performance. But I think the energetic signature is get out of the way and let that dharma, let that energy come through you and you’re the vessel for the energy. If I would put my spin on it, that would be my spin. And what getting out of your way means is knowing that the words come from your heart, not from your head. And I think that’s where a lot of people are. We access our head. We’re trying to think of the perfect way to say it in the right words. the more I’ve just gotten out of my way by getting into my heart and just saying like, what is it that I feel will make a difference that made a difference for me that I can pass on to share with somebody else that’s coming up? for me, I have to share it. I have to share it. And that to me is, it carries with it that energetic signature. So James and I were, yes, I hear you. James and I were having a personal conversation before we started the podcast. He’s in Sedona. He has two houses there. By the way, we’ll give them the addresses later in case they want to rent one of your houses. We’ll just add that in here. I’m kidding, guys. He asked my brother-in-law that he’s had dinner with a couple of nights ago, can I share things that I’ve been learning from you? And my brother-in-law said yes to you. And you said just a couple of minutes ago, you said that there are things in me I want to share. And when you told me that you would ask Kim about that, and my sister told me also by text after you left or something. that shows me there’s more things in you that you want to bring out into the world. So I want to take this back to the listeners, is that every one of you carries something in you, but so many of you talk yourself out of it because of, well, people aren’t going to listen to me, or who am I, or this or that. When I, as an example, my CPA was looking at my taxes, and he’s like, recently. And he’s like, good God, what happened to you in 17, 18, and 19? And he even said, where does all this money flowing from? It’s because of the impact I’m making in the world because I’m letting it come through me. I’m getting out of the way and I’m living my dharma. So, and add here if you want, but the takeaway for everyone listening is get on your path. No matter how much money you think it’s going to make you, this is what I tell people. What would you do every day if you knew you weren’t going to get paid, but it’s something you had to do? It’s something that has to come through you, in my opinion, and you’re welcome to contradict me, James. But that’s where we should be working from in business. But yet most people look at it and they say, oh, but I can’t analytically figure out how I’m going to make money with that. But that’s what needs to come through them, which will make them more money than anything else. Just an observation on my part. Yeah. And I think there’s a structured and strategic way. And then there’s kind of like a sloppy, negligent way, you know, and we’ve always heard those quotes. I think it was Zig Ziglar. Like, if you just care enough about other people, then what was, do you remember that quote? You know, if you help us something like, if you help enough people get what you want, they’ll help you get what you want or something like that. You know, there’s a huge misinterpretation of that, which is that you see people go around and offer free help everywhere they go and then create this silent expectation. that that person is somehow supposed to repay them or pay them without asking. And then they build up resentment and they say, I don’t get it. I go around and I just give away my time, my effort, my knowledge, everything, and I’m broke. And I think there’s a very important piece once we come into business, and yes, it will go back to our Aini episode, is that you have to ask for what you want. You have to be willing to say, this is what I do. This is how I can help you. And this is how much it costs if we’re going to be in business. And to do that unapologetically, to do that knowing that you’re not actually really helping people at the highest level that you could if you’re just giving it all away. Because like we said in that episode, people, when they don’t pay, they don’t pay attention. That reciprocity isn’t there. They don’t take it seriously. They don’t value it. And I’m just, I’m… Number one, I’m unapologetic about asking people for money. People are adults. You can say no. What a gift to give someone an environment or a context where they make a decision in their life. A lot of people’s problems exist because they’re not making any decision. They just say, one day, someday, I don’t know, maybe blah, blah, blah. Wishlist. Put it on my wishlist. Put it on my wishlist one day. And it’s like, no, no, no. We’re going to make a decision today. We’re going to make a decision right now. It’s either you in or you’re out. And even a no. from a place of empowerment and a place of certainty is such a gift for somebody. Why deny somebody that you want to help even that environment of a decision to get clarity in their life of what they want, what’s important to them, what’s not. And it’s just an invitation. Hey, I want to help you with this thing. Would you like to? Here’s the RSVP, yes or no. If it’s a yes, here’s how much. Let’s get started. And I love helping people doing that. I was going to go somewhere else with something, but you got to ask. I think you got to ask. And then it’s what you’re asking for is in alignment with your dharma, your gifting and your message. Yeah, no, I agree with that a hundred percent. And something I want to touch on there, this is what I tell people a lot is that, and by the way, guys, as I’m looking at James, he’s traveling. He’s actually holding his microphone in the hand the entire time. Doesn’t even have a microphone stand. But if you can’t afford one, I can loan you the money to buy a microphone. Thanks, buddy. Appreciate it. All I have is on Prime, you won. Before you make another jab at me, I am wondering if since you mentioned about the Don Javier piece, I’d really love to share one of the lessons I learned from him. Okay, absolutely. Please. Yeah, please. Go ahead. Because I learned this the hard way. And I think it’s a really important lesson because what you said, about people saying, who am I to be doing this? That question starts to take a lot of people into a place where they now have to prove that they’re better than other people. You’re kind of like what we were talking about before, right? So here’s why I’m the best and here’s why I’m this and here’s why I’m all that. And then they start having maybe some surface level success and they start to get a lot of self-importance and significance and start thinking they’re better than. don haier taught me at the deepest level possible what maybe not at the deepest level possible but at a deeper level than i had ever taken it sure about humility yeah knocked me on the ground with that because um i began when i started working with him you know putting him on some sort of you know higher pedestal of like you know, needing to impress and, and, and, uh, please, and, you know, do the right things and be the teacher’s pet. And the more I brought that to him, the more it just got knocked down for that. And so it was, you know, it was a lesson in, in a demonstration of humility and, you know, um, why I think that’s so important and why I get to take that on forward is that it’s very easy. You share a stage. with, you know, when you’re on a stage with, you know, our last event was 600 people and our events just keep getting bigger and you have all these listeners and stuff. And it’s very easy for your ego to just like turn that into self-importance. I’m the big banana, right? I’m the big chief. People can get up to me, blah, blah. That whole pecking order, just like hierarchy going up and up and up of like, I’m better than this, but not as good as that. And people do that. Like, oh, how many followers or how much money? And then they put this in this pecking order. And that’s what people mean when they say the higher you go, or whatever it is, the higher you go, the faster you fall. That’s the ego that’s falling. And to be reminded of that every day and to work from that place as much as you can. is more important than I think most people will even realize to not lose that, you know, just like humbleness and to not let, oh, you’re, oh, you know, you did all this millions in sales or you did this big launch where, you know, Jim’s saying all these nice things like you’re in leader or you’re in top percent. It’s like, but I’m still just this guy in board shorts that hasn’t had a haircut in nine weeks and, you know. is unshaven and holding a microphone in my hand doing this podcast from my bedroom. I think that’s so important because if right now you’re looking at these people and looking up to them and saying, how do I be better than? You don’t need to focus on that at all. I think that’s such a waste. Instead of saying, who can I help and how can I help from where I am right now in this moment? How can I give? How can I serve? How can I make a difference? How can I have an impact? And it goes back to that, that I’ve said this phrase a million times. You’ve probably heard it before that to a third grader, the fourth grader is like a God. Yeah. Right. You look up to that person, just a grade above you. And you’re like, wow. Right. And right now there are people that that’s, that you have something that they want and they’re going to look to you and say, wow, you could help me. And that’s, that’s really what we’ve always been saying. Right. You know. is just focus on that. Well, guys, you guys listening to him, I know James very well. And he’s very, I think that’s one of the reasons I like him so much. He’s very humble. He really is. He’s very successful, but very humble. And a year ago when we were in Sedona, I remember that you had just finished your keto diet or you were on it. And guys, December a year ago, he’s running around in Sedona in winter in flip-flops, shorts, a hoodie that he was wearing last time I saw him two weeks ago out in Sedona. And because he was on keto, his shorts were falling off. And I’m like, don’t you think we might want to buy you a belt or something? Because your shorts are falling off you. The humblest. People would not think your business does what it does based upon the way that you drive. Our real estate agent did not take me seriously until she like found my website and like Instagram. Yeah. Because you don’t, you don’t look, well, so we had dinner recently in my house in Sedona and you said that you let go of the lease or you let go, your lease expired on your Tesla. Tesla. Yeah, I traded in. I traded in a hundred and I think it’s a hundred thousand dollar car. Tesla, for a Jeep. And I’m so much happier with the Jeep. I mean, I wish it was an electric Jeep because I like electric cars, but oh my gosh, I’m having such a blast with this car. And, you know, I don’t, I think when I was younger, sure, you know, cars could be like a status symbol and stuff like that. But I just have so much fun. We’ve been, dude, Jim, we’ve been, the listeners don’t care, but I just want to tell you. I’m going to just ruin your podcast. I’m just like, hey, forget that. We’re just going to talk right now. We’re just going to catch up. But I’ve been taking that thing off road like every day. I mean, what a blast. I’m just having a blast. And like the whole cruise here is we’re piling in and we’re going off road and going on a hike. And like that, you know, maybe it’s just my values have changed a lot. You know, you talk about values. But like that gives me more, so much more than like a fancy car, you know. Let me add there for the group, and then I want to ask you one more question and let you go because it’s going to be your dinner time. Here’s the thing. Where you’ve moved into is that you have the success that most people online, and I’m going to say most, that they aspire to. They want the big events and the multiple millions per year in revenue and all the trappings. I’m in that same family as you as trappings and people we know and stuff like that. But here’s what people do is they attach themselves to it and make it mean something about themselves, meaning they’re placing their value on themselves from something external as opposed to something internal. And where you’re coming from, and I even watched you when we were talking. We had dinner recently a couple of times at the house. You’ve completely gone inside as opposed to outside, meaning… you know what, it’s really time for James to be on path for whatever it is James needs to bring to the world. So if I make an extra million or two, or I don’t, who cares at this point in my life? So you’re living from the inside out, which is where you were kind of struggling with when we started this a bit earlier. I think, and it’s so hard to, because it’s such a struggle on a journey for anyone who’s stepping into the role of a personal brand type entrepreneur, because your identity and who you are, and you become the product. So it all gets wrapped into it. It’s like who you really are versus the side that the audience sees and all that stuff. It’s a challenging thing to navigate. And there was that part of me that was like, I have to show people I’m successful because that’s what will make them buy from me. And that’s why I shared that piece earlier of someone saying, no, I don’t buy because you’re successful. I buy because of how many other people you’ve made successful. And so the only attachment I’ve made to the results I’ve had is just the reminder of saying, hey, I’ve done it. I can keep helping others do it. That’s just the, that’s just the little like, you know, reminder that like, look at what you’ve done. You know, you got, you got this, you can help this person and you can help that person. You can help this person. And that helps me, but it doesn’t. It doesn’t define me. It just, it just reminds me of the experience I’ve had and the value. Sometimes, you know, I go in the other direction where you’re like, Oh, is it good enough? Am I, you know, am I providing enough value? Is that what they need? You know, all that stuff. We all do that. Yeah. And, um, it’s just to say like, yeah, that that’s, this is going to change someone’s life. You know, that’s a big deal. And, um, and so that’s, you know, and, and I’ll tell you, this is my last thing. And then, yeah, we’ll, we’ll both go, but. We’ll have one more question for you after this and we’ll keep it short. I do want to say this before you give your stupid last question. I’m just kidding. Guys, we’re like brothers. Just throw something in and keep going. We’re like brothers who grew up in the same bedroom and bunk beds and we used to fight as kids. But go ahead. If you have to go ahead, go ahead. Thanks, Jim. Thank you for your permission. You know, I think a big part is like, I just, I love the whole, idea that has become more of an idea of abundance. Because I think as people not only attach significance and attachment as they start making money, but then they start creating this threat that it’s going to be taken away from you. And that the very people that they are teaching are going to be their biggest competitors. And I just, I’ve had experiences and moments of like, because you can’t, you can’t fathom, the brain can’t fathom what infinite is. what abundance really is you know we’re sitting here taking a little you know you’ve heard the metaphors of like a little thimble full of ocean water and calling that our million dollar business and look how much more there is look how much more is coming look how much more is available and then we sit there and we say oh my gosh this person’s doing what i’m doing or they’re teaching what i’m doing and i today i just keep moving into this space of like i love this idea that everyone that comes around me just ends up making a ton of money yeah that’s like become my dharma like you, you, you know, you awaken people and transform them. And I just want to make people, but I want people to have an experience where they’re like, I didn’t even know that I could make this much money. I didn’t know that was possible. And like, that’s what gets, that’s what gets me off. Like this is a family friendly podcast. Okay. So let’s keep it. Brandon’s going to love that. I said that, but like really nothing excites me more than that. When someone’s like, I mean, we’ve had students that were on food stamps. Now they’re multiple six figures and they’re seriously like we’re homeless. Yeah. And, and a multiple six figure business now. And they’re like, I didn’t, I was just trying to get by. And I love that. So love helping transform people’s lives and watch what happens, but you’re going to have to ask for the sale. Now, so let me add there real quick. And then the final question is what I wanted to cover there is that a lot of people, um, they like a lot of starting entrepreneurs, they want to go out there and they want to help everyone, but they don’t, they don’t put value and they don’t value what they do. So therefore they don’t charge for it. And therefore the world says, you don’t charge. Okay. I’m going to give you nothing back. They have people. this illusion that if I serve people, and I had somebody write me on my podcast and say, you’re wrong, Jim. I learned something different. People have this illusion that if you create value in the world, people will pay you. That is not true. It’s partly true. You have to value what you do and the value you’re creating. Because if you create value all day long and you don’t actually value what you do, then you don’t ask for value back. And then very quickly, you’re energetically and financially bankrupt. You must value what you do. It’s part of that energetic signature. It’s if you create something and then you infuse into it this like, this sucks. No one’s going to like this. That you’re activating that in other people. And so I always tell people when you create a product, when you create your offer, the first thing you have to do is you honor that offer. Yeah. Think about that. If you think about your kids, you think about someone in your life that you love and care about and someone says, tell me about them. Tell me about your, your son. Tell me about your, your spouse and you honor them. Tell me about how you love them and what’s so special about them. You don’t rush through them. Oh, they’re there. I don’t know about them and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No, you honor them and you honor your offer because by honoring your offer, you activate the value. It’s going to get created with the people who join. Thank you for that. That’s what I wanted them to get. I wanted to cover that. And then one more thing here. So our friend, guys, we mentioned a friend named Brandon, who has a new podcast, which we’re not going to mention yet, because honestly, I don’t know the name of it. So, but I don’t know the name. Not much of a friend. Well, you and I were like his first two guests and he launched last week. But sorry, Brandon. But Brandon, before I knew you, you and Brandon were already friends. And you were doing, I think, what was called Local Video Academy or something like that, right? Yeah, that’s it. and i think you did with him you did a million dollar launch or something 2014 15 something like that yeah you decided you didn’t want to do lva anymore and you gave him all of lva and he called me and he’s like james gave me lva i’m like what do you mean james gave you And he’s like, yeah, he just gave it to me. And I’m like, but Brandon, didn’t that program make a million dollars? No, it did. In total, it did over 2.2 million in two years. And you’re just like, here, dude, take it all. It’s yours, right? And it goes back to exactly what we’ve been talking about. That was not my dharma. I was out of alignment with that. There was something about this short-term, like knowing this connection with Brandon and supporting him. But I was like, I’m not here to do this. This is not for me. There was this like, I’m not losing any money. I’m opening a space for other opportunity for me. I don’t need anything from it. If Brandon, if you still want to do it, please just go do it. Okay. So let’s go here. And the final, my final air quotes, stupid question, as you just called it, which we’ll get to in just a moment. But you gave him this, laughing here. You gave him this business. And that goes to Aini, which is, it’s much deeper than the way I’m going to explain it here, which is reciprocity of life. But you gave. And as long as I’ve known you, you’ve always been somebody who’s always wanted to help other people from a very genuine place. Not from, oh, if I help, something’s going to come back to me. Because that’s not Aini. That’s not Aini, exactly. That’s selfishness, actually. But so let me ask you this, in your opinion, because this will be the third episode where I mentioned Aini, and you were on two of my earlier episodes, I believe, or one last year. Okay, one. So you’re on two now. So you’re two episodes ahead of anybody else. Anybody else, yeah. My amazing podcast. But what I’ve noticed, and I’d love your genuine, honest opinion on this, what I noticed is that most people in business, are not in business to first serve and to give and to build. They are first in business to see what they can get from their business. They’re not operating from INE. They’re operating from survival, not even knowing they’re doing that. What’s in it for me? Oh my God, if I build this amazing online business, I can be successful and I can have the Mercedes and I can have all the money. And in my observation and opinion, most people that go into business online and even business a lot of times are not doing it because of the Dharma. They’re not doing it because of INE. They’re doing it because of what they can get as opposed to what they can give. I’d love your… weigh in on my stupid question. Well, the reason it’s stupid is because my answer is mine, right? Yes, I agree. Next question. No, I totally, you know, tell me where you want me to go with it because I couldn’t agree more. And that’s hard because, you know, in my messaging, I talk about, you know, you want to have a bigger impact. You know, you want to help people. And like in marketing, it’s like, you know, it doesn’t convert as high as when it’s like, hey, you want to make more money. You know what I mean? But that’s what’s so funny is that it’s those that lead from that intention without expectation that end up being the ones that make the money. And it really has to be- Start right there. Start right there. Lead with intention without expectation. Beautiful, right? It just came up with that spot. That’s our co-creative energy signature. It’s the intention. What’s that intention, right? That intention of wanting to help somebody. Because look, look. What we didn’t talk about, I think, in the I.N.E. episode is where I first… Maybe I did. I don’t know. Who cares? It was a year ago. I don’t remember that. But it was… You definitely won’t remember it. You don’t even remember how many episodes I’ve been on. You thought this was our third episode. I don’t know. I first got a hint of that. When I had my first dose of success, we did a product, Video Traffic Academy, 2011, $97 product. Me and my business partner did $400,000 in sales in 30 days, and I fell into this deep, dark depression. I didn’t even know it was depression until later. I’d never felt that way, but it was bad. I literally was like, I’d spent all my years working for that moment, and then it came, and nothing about me changed. I didn’t feel any different. I didn’t feel enough. I didn’t feel… All those things that I thought money was going to give me, I didn’t have. I could look at my bank account online and it was a different number, but nothing else in my life was any different. People didn’t like me more. I didn’t get more love. I didn’t get more worthiness or anything. Nothing changed. And that scared this young kid because I was like, I’ve dedicated the last five years of my life towards this because I thought it was going to give me all of this and it didn’t give me squat. And so I found myself, I started doing pot like three times a day, wouldn’t get off the couch and just binge, you know, on Netflix. Doing pot, you mean smoking pot? Doing, doing, I was doing alcohol. Doing sounds like you take out a pill. I was doing the alcohol and, and doing, doing, smoking dope. Don’t smoke dope. And, and like, just kind of like with life. And the coolest thing happened. Thank God, help me. is it while that was happening, I also started getting like messages from people and they’re like, Oh my goodness, I just got my first client or I just made this money or what this just happened. And I was getting these little hits and it was this hit of like, you know, what you talk about too is like, Whoa, like I’m, I made a difference in someone’s life. Like I matter. Yeah. I matter. And that is a, If we’re going to use our drug metaphor, that is a drug that does not lose its high. That got me, pulled me out of that. funk i was i mean i was there for months and that pulled me out of it and it just kept me going is that i just get i just keep saying and what keeps driving me is like i want to help more people and i want to help on a deeper level let’s go deeper let’s help more and that you know like you could sit there and be only driven by money for so long but i don’t know if you could really fill that cup of impact i don’t i can’t It’s not sustainable to me either. That’s something I ask people in all of my programs is what makes you matter, which is your dharma. And if you’re not living from there, I don’t care what you’re doing. Nothing else is going to work for you. It might be sustainable in the short term, but long term, you will burn out. You’ll just not find the riches and the abundance and everything you want to create. And so then you realize that the money is there to fuel the dharma. The money is simply a tool so that you can have a podcast, so that you can hire a podcast manager, and so you can start marketing it. So you can have the right software, the right team, pay for the ads and pay for the event and the office space and the equipment. It’s there for that. Yeah, exactly. Or to buy a mic stand so you don’t have to hold your mic the whole time. Right. We’re going to start a GoFundMe with this episode. Buy a change of mic stand. But I I want to leave them with that is that the money most people chase the money and the money is not the end result The money for me is a tool to continue to build a mechanism to reach, meaning the team to reach more people. Because the more people I can reach, the more lives I can change, the more lives that they can change. So it’s simply, it doesn’t define me. I still wear flip-flops and t-shirts just like you, et cetera. My blue Porsche. Well, you had a Tesla, so I don’t want to hear about it at all. But is there anything, okay, so is there any parting thought? Keep it short. Yeah, ask yourself. If that money is the thing that’s been on the horizon, say, what does money give me? And really just dig deep on that question. What does it give me? What does I think it’s going to give me that I think I don’t already have? And you’ll find that you already have that and you can access and tap into that now and live from that place and more money will come. Very good. Thank you so much. I mean, that’s sincere living that we’re friends and all that, but I mean, thank you so much. And I appreciate you sharing all that with everyone here and they can learn more about you at, what’s the name of your podcast? Mind Your Business podcast, right? One day you’ll get it. I’m a slow learner. Yeah. Don’t even go there when I said that, but. You’re doing great. Let’s just all give it up for Jim. He’s doing a great job. His one and only interview with one and only guest he’s ever had. I did great. I did a good job. I like myself. Look, I have to give you a hard time because you give me such a hard time. Of course. Absolutely. But for real, it’s Mind Your Business podcast. Yeah, that’s it. We’ll obviously put it in the show notes and everything else. And guys, every single one of you listening, if you have an online business, Jay, the reason I ask him here is because I know his energy, but mainly I know his heart. And if he didn’t come with the right energy, I don’t care if he makes 100 million a year, I don’t want him on my podcast because I would mix that energy with mine and I’m not doing it for my audience. So I cannot say enough good things about what he does, what his work does, and what he does for online entrepreneurs. So again, go follow James at mindyourbusinesspodcast.com. James, thank you. so, so much. You can put your mic down now, go get some dinner. And it’s been holding up much longer than I expected. So go rest and I’ll talk to you later. And thank you again. Thanks, Jim. Thanks, you guys. All right, bro. Okay. Bye-bye.