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EPISODE 518: “Who Are You Beneath The Brainwashing Of Your Human Story And Identity?”

August 4, 2026

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In this episode of The Jim Fortin Podcast, Jim shares one of the most personal stories he’s told on the show: the near-death experience he had during a 2020 stroke, and what it revealed to him about the difference between consciousness and the identity people mistake for themselves. He explains why the awareness he touched in that experience has reshaped not only his understanding of who we are, but the direction of his own work.

Jim distinguishes between the “surface identity”, the body, the ego, the human story, and the deeper reality of consciousness beneath it. He explains why self-improvement keeps people trapped in an endless cycle of fixing the container, while self-recognition, knowing oneself as awareness rather than the body, is what actually dissolves fear, anxiety, and limitation at the root.

Listeners are invited to question what in them remains untouched by circumstance, and to begin recognizing themselves as the awareness beneath the human identity rather than the identity itself.

What You’ll Discover in This Episode:

  • (00:00) Free will isn’t free thinking: Jim reminds listeners they are spiritual beings having a human experience, and that fear and anxiety signal operating from ego rather than soul.
  • (03:50) A near-death experience reframed: Jim describes the stroke that briefly took him out of his body in 2020, and the awareness of “nothingness” he’s only now come to understand.
  • (10:30) Surface identity versus deeper reality: Jim explains why self-improvement keeps people chasing a better container, while transformation comes from recognizing consciousness itself.
  • (15:53) Identity creates limitation: Jim shows how identifying as the body means inheriting its fears and limitations, citing people who transcend disability by refusing to identify with it.
  • (19:11) Why Jim stepped away from TCP: Jim opens up about ending his signature coaching program, since fixing the ego container isn’t true transformation.
  • (25:30) The question beneath the story: Jim leaves listeners with a simple practice: asking what in them remains untouched by circumstance.

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Transformational Takeaway

Every fear, worry, and limitation carried in life belongs to the container, not to the self. The body is not who a person is; it is simply what a person lives in. Beneath the human story and the human identity is a deeper awareness, untouched by circumstance and unshaken by the world. Recognizing that awareness, rather than trying to fix or improve the container, is where real transformation begins.

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Full Episode Transcript

You’re listening to the Transform Your Life from the Inside Out podcast. This episode is titled, Who Are You Beneath the Brainwashing of Your Human Story and Identity?
You know, you’ve often heard before that you are not a human being that’s having a spiritual experience. You’re a spiritual being having a human experience. And for most people, that resonates. But the reality is they understand it intellectually and analytically, but they don’t really know it. Put it this way, and I’ll demonstrate what it means not to know it. If anything creates any fear in you, any anxiety, any worry, any anger, then guess what? You’re working from the outside in instead of the inside out. You’re working from being a human being first because all that fear and anger and worry is not from the soul. It’s all from the human ego. So if you want to start reclaiming your power and authenticity so that the external circumstances do not anger, bother you, create any fear in you, or upset you, or create any stress and anxiety, keep listening.
Hi, I’m Jim Fortin, and you’re about to start transforming your life from the inside out with this podcast. I’m widely considered the leader in subconscious transformation, and I’ve coached super achievers all around the world for over 25 years. Here, you’re going to find no rah-rah motivation and no hype because this podcast is a combination of brain science, transformational psychology, and ancient wisdom all rolled into one to take your life to levels you’ve never thought possible. If you’re wanting a lot more in life, to feel better, to heal, to have peace of mind, to feel powerful and alive, and to bring more abundance and prosperity into your life, then this podcast is for you because you’re going to start learning how to master your mind and evolve your consciousness. And when you do that, anything you want then becomes possible for you. I’m glad you’re here.

This is a really powerful episode, in my opinion. I’m in a rental right now, a rental office. Look behind me, I’ve got a bare wall. There may be some noise on the outside. And even my lights in here, in this office, are on a timer. So if you’re watching video, the lights may go off when I’m talking. And if I’m on a roll, I’m not going to stop. I’ll have to just go back, wave my hands, turn the lights on, come back, and we’ll pick up and we’ll keep on going. I moved to Colorado and I’m in a new house. And we’re doing some renovation for about six weeks. We’re just putting in some new flooring. So I’m living in a rental right now and using a rental office.
This episode, the authenticity of you. Going beyond the brainwashing and the human story and the human identity, I want to take you back to the year 2020, the year that I had both the heart failure and the stroke. When I had the stroke and I woke up in the ICU, the neurologist said to me, he said, you had a stroke. And mind you, I was out for two days prior to that. But when he said that, I said, I know. The question is, how did I know? No one told me. When I woke up in the ICU, I had no recollection of how I even got to the ICU. But I knew.
And there was something that I experienced that I really haven’t talked a lot about in my podcast. It’s all come together in the past year or so. I was told that basically I kicked the bucket. I left the planet very briefly for just a couple of seconds. And what I experienced was, and Don Javier told me afterwards, he said, once you understand what happened to you from a higher level and a higher perspective, you will never be the same again. Now, I’m going to be completely transparent. I kind of just brushed it off and said, eh, okay, this body, I’m alive, I’m good. But the past year thereabouts, things have been opening up for me. And I was thinking back to when I had that near-death experience. And I even had to Google to see, hey, is this a near-death experience?
What happened to me is when I had the near-death experience, you know, I’d heard before that people say they have, you know, the angels and the light, and I didn’t have any of that. But what I had is I had the, here’s the operative word we’re going to be talking about, I had the awareness that I was in a void. It felt like I was in another dimension and I was just in this place that was nothingness. But yet it was completely safe. It felt… I didn’t feel anything other than safe. I felt like I was suspended in nothingness, almost like having no body weight. But I do recall thinking I had a form. But there was no weight to it. And I was just floating. And there was no noise. There was no distraction. It was just completely sublime.
Like I said, I did not classify that. Even after it happened, Don Javier said, you left the planet. And that’s his phraseology. You left the planet for a couple of seconds. Now, you could say, well, a couple of seconds. I didn’t know this either. Don Javier told me that a couple of seconds of Earth time could be, if you’re going to use Earth time to measure, could be months in another dimension. Meaning, you know, with Earth time, you say I was gone three seconds or five seconds. But in another dimension, that could be measured as, if we’re measuring by Earth time, that could be measured by two months or three months.
So anyway, I didn’t, when he told me I had the near-death experience also, it’s not that I didn’t believe it. I didn’t know how to process it. And as I look back now, I’m glad it all happened, and I’ll explain more in this episode, because again, it took me to this word that I want to start bringing home to you, this word awareness. But I even Googled my experience and said, is this a near-death experience? And Google said, yeah, many people report that kind of experience. Very warm, very inviting, very peaceful nothingness. Basically, it’s a void that is not a void.
Now, as I said earlier, Don Javier said to me, he said, maybe a month or two later at dinner, he said, when you fully grasp what happened to you, you’ll never be the same. It’ll open up so much more for you. Now, that was like, what, six years ago? And it’s just now opening up now for me. Again, this word awareness. Because when I had this experience, and I was in this void and this nothingness, I came to experience, but not just experience, I came to know there is and we are awareness beyond that which we are conscious about. I’ll say it again. I came to experience and know there is and we are an awareness beyond that which we are conscious about.
And when I was in that void, I was aware that I was in that void, but it wasn’t a 3D awareness of like, oh, okay, I’m not in my body, I’m in a void. No, it wasn’t like that at all. It was completely, air quote, normal. As normal as where you’re sitting or driving or walking right now, you feel like that is air quote normal to you. Being in that void was completely normal, but I knew that I was in a void. I knew that I was in nothingness. And that’s when I recognized, well, how did I know that? Well, how did I know that if I wasn’t in the body? I knew that because even though I wasn’t in the body, I was aware. And this is how I can now say, and I didn’t know it back then, but now I’m aware and now I know. That’s what that experience helped me to learn, which for me is going to be able to bring a lot more to you guys.
And what I came to recognize in the 3D is, okay, if I had left the body, but I was aware, there is awareness, and I can think about leaving my body, there is an awareness beneath the thoughts. And we might think that our thoughts are awareness, but no. Our thoughts are not awareness, meaning you listening right now, you’re having thoughts. That’s not awareness. They are thoughts about awareness. Awareness is your pure consciousness. I am that, and you are that, below and inside the costumes that we wear, the container, the bag of skin, this word, and I’ve never liked it, I don’t know why, I don’t find it offensive or anything, but meat suit. There’s an awareness that resides in that meat suit that you call you, but you think that meat suit is you, but it’s not you. You are the awareness alive and keeping that meat suit alive.
So awareness, as I said, is pure consciousness, but thoughts are conscious analytical thinking. And what I’ve learned over the years is this conscious analytical thinking, it literally distorts and it negates the awareness in us. And this is why, here’s where I’m going to start digging in and giving you some meat and potatoes after the story that I opened with. Here’s why we have to move literally from this surface identity, meaning the container of us, the body of us. We have to move from the surface identity to the deeper identity, the deeper reality.
Now, our surface identity, I didn’t plan this. I find it so interesting the universe orchestrated all this in this way, is that this podcast you’re listening to is in the top 100 in the world in the personal development category. Personal development, self-improvement, to me, same thing. It’s in the top 50 in the UK and the top 10 in Australia. So this podcast, not me, is a leader globally in personal development. But the reality is I have no desire to help anybody with personal development anymore. And the reason why is what we are wanting to develop is the surface level identity, meaning the container. And so our goal for the container, for the meat suit, for the bag of skin is improvement. And this is why I’ve started saying that the self-improvement industry and the personal development industry is a very broken industry.
The reason why is when you live from the identity of the container, the container always has to improve itself. It’s never happy. It’s never good enough. It’s always got to strive. It’s always got to be perfect. And the container is constantly in a state of improvement when we live from the surface level identity. This is why we have to go to the deeper reality. The goal of the surface identity, meaning your bag of skin, is self-improvement. Better home. I have this shitty home. I want a better home. I got this crappy car. I want a better car. I got this body. I want a better body. I got this money. I want more money. But in the deeper reality, our goal, I’m going to use that word, is self-recognition. To know ourself. It’s the awareness and the knowing that you are not a body on this path. You are in the body, but you are not the body.
And as I said a bit earlier, all the anger, the fear, the negative emotions, these are a complete lack of self-awareness of your more. All this anger, fear, because fear paralyzes a lot of you guys listening. And it’s everything from the mundane fear to ridiculous fear to what the ego would say justified fear. And what I mean by that is a ridiculous fear could be, what are people going to say if I wear this outfit? What are people going to say if I shoot this video? The mundane would be just things in our daily life. What I would say would be a legitimate fear, but there’s no reason to get into fear, but I understand why people do, is when people get a negative health diagnosis. And by the way, when people go into fear about a negative health diagnosis, that’s not the soul. That’s not the awareness that goes into the fear. That is the ego identity, the freaking conscious container that goes into it. And then we identify with the container. Therefore, we identify with the fear. And what we identify with is what we attract more of back into our life.
So we often think that self-awareness is within the context of the ego. But that’s just the tip of the iceberg. True self-awareness is what I just said. We’re not the body first. You are not a body first. You are the consciousness and the awareness that inhabits the body that you call you and you identify as you.
Let me give you a simple way or a different way to understand this, maybe. I’ve said it before, but now in this context, it may make more sense to you. We think we are a body that has consciousness. We often say, okay, I have consciousness. By the way, I did that for many years. So we say, I have consciousness, but that’s backwards. Consciousness actually has what we define and identify as us because consciousness was here. You were here before the body was here. When I say you, I don’t mean you in the identity, the body of skin. I mean you in the identity of your awareness of your soulful identity.
And as I said, I’m saying it again to be repetitive, so maybe you get it. When we identify as the container and we identify as that, we are automatically identifying with all the fears, the worries, the anxiety, and all these kind of things. But when we stop identifying with the container, and I’m going to help you guys do that, not in this episode, but in different ways, when we stop identifying with the container, all the fear, worries, anxieties simply fall away. Because these things are of the ego, not of the consciousness, not of the awareness, not of the soul.
When we claim we are only the human identity, in that moment, we are claiming all the limitations of that human identity. And if you look out on the world, you see many people that will have physical disabilities, and many people will identify with those physical disabilities. Other people will not, and they’re running marathons on prosthetics. I know somebody one time that said they were a paraplegic, therefore, they couldn’t do X, Y, Z in life. It was about business. But yet I met a guy that was a quadriplegic that built a multi-million dollar company. So it’s not about the container. It’s about the identity. And we have to identify first and only as consciousness.
And it’s very challenging for us to do. We’ve become so conditioned to identify. If I said to you right now, nanosecond, boom, quick, what’s your name? You’re going to tell me, oh, Oscar, Susie, Anitra, Michelle, Bob, Candy, all these names. That’s because you automatically, you automatically identify with the container, and then you make the container you, and then you own all the limitations of the container.
Where I’m going in my own career, my podcast, my own programs, this is why I’m no longer doing TCP, because see, TCP changed a lot of lives, I mean, thousands of lives all around the world in a very good way. I’m going to throw myself under the bus. Though it changed a lot of lives, it literally was just decorating the container. It was decorating and fixing the ego container. Now myself, and I mean this respectfully and humbly, I’m not there anymore. I don’t work from that place. And especially as I started putting together the near-death experience and with the path that I’m on now, it all clicked.
And this is why I said after I did my last TCP, we just finished it last week, I said, I can’t do this anymore. I can’t do it. I can’t decorate the ego container anymore. I can’t fix the ego anymore. Because fixing the container and fixing the ego is no freaking different than rearranging the chairs on a Titanic. And I would see people go through TCP, and not everyone, because not everyone would do the work and not everyone would get out of their shit, most people got amazing results in TCP, and I know because I tracked it all for years. But you know what? What I noticed? They would fix one area of their life, but they would say they might fix their health. And I’ve seen many people do that in TCP. They were on medication. Doctors said, you’re going to be on medication for years. I showed them how to evolve themselves in conjunction with their doctor’s approval to get off their medication. But you know what? Now they’re still dealing with, okay, I’m having money challenges. All they’re fucking doing is rearranging chairs on the Titanic.
And I went into a bit of, what am I doing? Why am I doing this? I definitely don’t want to hurt people. I don’t want to keep people trapped. I’m here to help people. How can I help people? And what I learned is about personal development and self-improvement is when we try to improve something, when we seek anything, automatically what we are doing is we’re trying to improve the ego container. And I don’t know why I came up with this metaphor, but it works for me. It’s just like trying to dress up a barn. No matter how much you dress up a barn, and if you’ve listened for any amount of time, I grew up in the country, and barns generally smell like cat shit, or cow shit, not cat shit, cow shit, or horse shit, okay, or pig shit. When you dress up a barn, even if you clean the barn up, it’s still a freaking barn.
So no matter how much you dress up the ego, it’s still an ego. And the thing about the ego is it operates 100% from human conditioning. And think back to what I just said. When you identify as a human being, you then inherit all the limitations of the human being. When you operate from the barn, from the ego, you’re operating from human conditioning. And guess what? You might fix one part of the conditioning, but now you got another part of the conditioning to fix.
And I came to the realization I had to step away. I can’t do it anymore. I don’t care about the accolades. I don’t care about the awards, so to speak. And I’ve been offered awards and I turned down podcasting awards. If you notice, I don’t have any ads on the podcast except my own. I could have monetized it. I could be making a lot more money from podcast ads. I never got into any of that. And I wanted to keep the podcast pure to transformation. And I recognized I can’t do that anymore because I can’t do the transformation part and get conscious anymore because I don’t want to keep people trapped in the human ego.
You know, when we work from the human history, basically that’s what we do, and we work from the ego, we’re trapped into brainwashing. I remember when I had the stroke and the heart failure. They were six months apart. When I had the heart failure, the cardiologist came in with another cardiologist, and they said, and they were very certain about what they said. They said, okay, you’re in heart failure right now. And they said, A, B, C, D, E. Basically, they told me I would be sick for the rest of my life. I had to manage this. I had to be on medication. I had to manage that. I had to watch my sodium intake and all these kind of things.
In my mind, I thought, bullshit. Now, when I had the heart failure, and by the way, doctors don’t know what caused any of this. Both the cardiologist and neurologist said, we don’t know. We don’t know what happened. Now, only from my limited perspective, it happened so that I could talk to you about these things. Because if I didn’t have these experiences, I would be able to talk to you like a book, like an information source, but I’ve lived it. And I think all this happened so that I can bring you the even bigger message that I’m bringing you about escaping the human ego and the human identity.
But the doctors, the neurologist and the cardiologist both, they gave me all these stories. And they were telling me, okay, here is what your recovery is going to look like. It’s going to take you this long. Here’s what you have to do. And what I noticed in that moment, boom, like a bolt of lightning, it hit me. Wait, they’re telling me this based upon their limited human history. They’re telling me based upon all the patients they’ve seen, 99.9% of the patients they’ve seen don’t know jack shit about healing. All they know is what a doctor tells them.
So culturally, as a species, we have this baseline for healing, but this baseline is created from a very, very, very, very blind and limited species. And in that moment, I recognized I can live in those stories, or I can live in the story that I was going to say I can heal myself, but I can’t heal myself. No one can heal themselves. Only consciousness heals. And this is why people who think they need healing many times don’t heal, because the more they think they need healing, the more they’re holding the consciousness of, I am not healed. And the more they hold the consciousness of, I am not healed, the more not healing they actually perpetuate and create in their life.
So if you look at the stories that I gave you, maybe it’s healing, maybe it’s not, maybe it’s money for you, which was mine for many years. How much energy, how much power do you invest in these very broken ego models of reality? Because these very broken ego models, what they do is they blind you from the authenticity of your consciousness and the power of your consciousness.
I want to share something with you. I want to give you a takeaway here, okay? Because I’m going to be talking about this for the next four or five episodes. And each episode, I just want to give you like a drop. I don’t want to give you too much because I know myself, and I know if we hear too much, we gather very little. But when we get something we can latch on to, that’s when things start to shift for us.
So you think about these things that happen in your life. Maybe it’s something that’s caused some fear, some anger, some resentment, some jealousy, some money issues, some pain in the body, whatever it might be. Basically, I’m willing to say something, air quote, not good. So think about something like that. Now, metaphorically, take a step back and say, just very gently, is there something in me that is untouched by these external things and circumstances? I’ll say it again. Is there something in me that is untouched by these external things and circumstances?
As I continue to do these episodes for you, I’ll be sharing more. And my objective is to help you, number one, expand your awareness. Your awareness that you’re even aware. Just expanding your awareness, many people take awareness and then they confuse it for knowledge or something external. And what I want to share is just because you have more awareness, many times that doesn’t really change anything until you can put that awareness into application and integration. Once you take the new awareness and put it in the application and integration on a daily basis, that becomes your way of being. And that’s how you become, you know, that’s how you start showing up in the world in terms of your consciousness. Because our objective is to escape the container, meaning just escape the consciousness of the 3D container and thinking that we are that and living in the higher reality of we are not that.
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And these are all things that you don’t even recognize because you live in it on a daily basis. It’s kind of like, for example, most of us don’t know we’re brainwashed because we live in a world where everyone else, the whole population, is brainwashed. And they’re brainwashed to the limitations of the ego, not just socially and culturally, but they’re brainwashed to think that they are the human body. That is who they are. That is not who they are.
So because the whole world is brainwashed in that way, you’re brainwashed in that way, and then none of us know we’re brainwashed because we’re all brainwashed. So then your next step, if you choose and it feels right for you, your next step, and we’re not promoting it today, I’m not even opening the doors for three weeks, is enrolling in the Brainwashed program. It’s a brand new program, and I can honestly say I don’t know what’s going to happen yet. So I can say this, I’m going to deliver it one time for sure. It’s an eight-week live program. And I’m not sure when you’re listening to this, you could be listening to this episode two years from now, if I’m even doing the podcast anymore, which I don’t know if I will or I will not be doing. But my point is, is I don’t know if I’ll ever do it again. So if you’re truly wanting to escape the brainwashing, I’m just sharing right now in the full episode, now is the opportunity to do it.
So recognize this as our final thought today. Below your human story and below the human identity, what you are, you’re not the container. You’re not the meat suit. You’re not the bag of skin. You are awareness of those things. You are consciousness. By the way, another word for consciousness is God. And you have to reside and abide in the consciousness of what you truly are, not what you think you are, which is the container, and that will automatically solve, release, and eliminate all fears, worries, and challenges you’re having in the container and the container experience that you call you.
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Jim Fortin

Jim is an international subconscious self-transformation and high performance expert with over two decades of expertise in brain based transformation and high performance. Using a brain based approach coupled with transformational psychology and ancient wisdom Jim has created programs that create long-term core-level life transformation in his students.

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If 2025 feels like it’s slipping through your fingers, this is your wake-up call.

“Break Free” is the mid-year reset your soul has been craving…a FREE LIVE training to help you finally align who you ARE with what you WANT (no more forcing goals that don’t stick).

 

It’s all happening July 16th

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