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EPISODE 532: “Do You Truly Want Freedom In Your Life?”

September 22, 2026

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In this episode of The Jim Fortin Podcast, Jim examines the quest for freedom and what it means to embark on that journey. He opens the discussion with a familiar story about a bishop in the deli. It was at this moment when Jim first realized how deeply people can become attached to a role or narrative. It showed him how human experiences are often confused with cosmic truth, causing people to adopt roles instead of stepping into their autonomy.

Jim explains that real freedom cannot exist inside the container of the 3D ego, adding that doing so only forces you to inherit all the 3D ego’s limitations. Instead, he suggests two simple steps to determine your attachments. The first requires you to identify your fears by naming your three greatest obstacles. The second is to determine what you’re fighting to defend. The exercise reveals how attached you can be to your human identity. Its purpose is to help listeners step into their authenticity as a spiritual being. Along the way, Jim recounts his studies with the being Kyron and shares the daily practice he uses to shift his mindset from being a body trying to fix its circumstances to seeing himself as divine consciousness.

For anyone ready to move beyond fixing their life and into truly knowing who they are, this episode offers a clear and challenging place to begin.

What You’ll Discover in This Episode:

  • (00:11) The bishop story: Jim recalls a moment in 2017 that revealed how deeply people identify with inherited roles.
  • (04:31) The container concept: Drawing on material from the channeled being Kyron, Jim explains that every person lives boxed in by assumptions, fears, and routines.
  • (10:43) Religion, control, and the allegory of the cave: Jim connects Plato’s allegory of the cave to organized religion and dogma.
  • (19:49) Two questions worth asking yourself: Jim leads listeners through a short exercise naming their biggest fears and what they fight to defend.
  • (25:40) A daily practice for transcending the container: Jim shares the exact thought he holds each morning to shift from managing his life to witnessing it as divine consciousness.
  • (28:15) A listener’s transformation: Jim reads an email from a listener whose life shifted after applying these teachings, and reflects on how many people will recognize themselves in her story.

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You are not the container you live in, and you are not the story you were taught. Every fear you carry and everything you fight to defend is simply evidence of how attached you are to a role that was never your truth. Real freedom comes from stepping back from the role and remembering that you are the consciousness witnessing it. The moment you stop trying to fix the container and begin to understand yourself as a soul, the very limitations you believed were permanent will start to fall away.

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Full Episode Transcript

You’re listening to the Transform Your Life from the Inside Out podcast. This episode is titled, Do You Truly Want Freedom in Your Life? I want to take you back to 2017, and I want to tell a very quick story here. I’ve told it before. I was grabbing a sandwich one day at a deli, and I saw this man there that was dressed up like a bishop from some religion. He was playing a role and he was living out a story. And the reality is that man as a cosmic being did not know himself because what he was demonstrating was how he knew himself as a 3D story, which is basically indoctrination. In this episode, I want to talk about the story of your life and is your story from your human history, your human experience, and from your human indoctrination, or is it from the cosmic truth of you? The reality is, the truth is for me, I want to help you come to truly know yourself because when you find that place, that’s the moment you step into your power, your autonomy, and your authenticity as a spiritual being. Keep listening.
Hi, I’m Jim Fortin and you’re about to start transforming your life from the inside out with this podcast. I’m widely considered the leader in subconscious transformation and I’ve coached super achievers all around the world for over 25 years. Here you’re going to find no rah rah motivation and no hype because this podcast is a combination of brain science, transformational psychology, and ancient wisdom all rolled into one to take your life to levels you’ve never thought possible. If you’re wanting a lot more in life, to feel better, to heal, to have peace of mind, to feel powerful and alive, and to bring more abundance and prosperity into your life, then this podcast is for you because you’re going to start learning how to master your mind and evolve your consciousness. And when you do that, anything you want then becomes possible for you. I’m glad you’re here.
Okay, as we dig into this episode, if you’ve listened for any amount of time, you know that I bought a new home in Colorado about three months ago. I’ve had home renovations done. And the reason I tell you this is we’re really rounding the curve and we’re getting to the end of all the renovations. But if you hear any background noise, maybe you’ll hear some landscapers making noise outside my office window right now. Up in the kitchen, I’m having new tile put in. So you may hear some noise up there. And in the midst of all that, you may hear my dog barking, which my dog is by my side 24-7 like many of our dogs. So you may hear some dog barking. I do not know. But anyway, I’m just telling you, you’re going to get the episode warts and all.
Okay, the bishop story. I think he was a bishop. I don’t know. I mean, I just don’t know where he was in the religious hierarchy. But this man was dressed up in religious garb, meaning the clothing, the uniform, so to speak, of a pastor, a bishop, etc., from some aspect of Christianity. And he had a big gold cross on and all these kind of things. I told this story before, and when I saw this guy, my first thought was, and it wasn’t a judgment in any way in terms of a good or bad judgment, but when I saw the guy, my thought was, this guy is playing a role that he’s learned to play. And the reality is we’ve all learned to play a role. But the question is, is what role are you playing? And is that role from your 3D identity and your past human history? Or is that role and is it coming from a place of you truly knowing yourself as a divine spiritual being?
As I was thinking about this episode this week, I think back to some material that I stumbled on back in 1999. And this material was channeled material from a being named Kryon, K-Y-R-O-N. And Kryon was channeled by a guy, if I remember correctly, his name was Lee Carroll. And I want to share a couple of concepts, and then we’ll dig deeper into the episode. But also, I remember Don Xavier, my brother-in-law, once saying to me that all people are spiritual and all people are holy, but most of us do not identify as that. We identify as the human ego, the meat suit, the container, whatever it is you want to call it.
I don’t know which book it was, and I’ve only read one of the Kryon books. But in this Kryon book, Kryon was talking about the inner divinity. And Kryon stated that all of us are a piece of the source creator. The source creator, whatever you want to call that—universal mind, universal intelligence, God, whatever you want—lives in every single person. And I remember a particular line in this writing, and this line was saying something along, or it sounded something like this, that there’s a divine spark and there’s a divinity in every single human being. It’s cellular. It’s simply waiting for us to discover and acknowledge this divinity in all of us. I remember Kryon saying that all people are holy and spiritual, but yet most people do not know it.
And I look at organized religion. Organized religion is generally about dogma and about human orchestrated interpretations of ancient texts. Organized religion is oftentimes not about higher awareness or higher consciousness. As a matter of fact, some organized religion even air quote warns you about higher consciousness. Most organized religion, as you’ve heard me say before, is generally dogma. And this dogma was created to control you.
Now also, in this Kryon work, Kryon talked about boxes of awareness. And what Kryon said is that most people live inside a very small, very familiar box defined by traditional assumptions, fears, and routines. And as I look at that preacher, pastor, bishop, whatever he was, he’s living in the box and the identity of the traditions, the assumptions, and his assumption is that Christianity is universal truth and then all the fears associated, meaning if you do not or you are not, air quote, saved, you’re going to go to hell, etc., etc., etc.
Now, what most people do, because they know nothing other than the box, what they do is they assume that this reality is all there is. This limited reality that they live in is a very limited reality. But many times people assume that this is the totality of reality. And I’m going to share with you right now, that is a container. That is a massive, massive, massive, massive container that keeps you trapped. It keeps you sick. It keeps you limited. It keeps you in fear, which I’ll talk a little bit more about in this episode.
And this is also what I’m sharing now, and I’m finding my way in how I share this with you guys. This is why I created the new program called Brainwashed. And I’ll be talking about this over the next couple of episodes, because I’m also going to rebrand this podcast. But the reality is, like this bishop, or I don’t know what he was, I just keep calling him a bishop because he had the cross on and he looked like an important man in his religion. But anyway, when we live in that container, we’re automatically brainwashed to the content and context of that container. And the reality is, is what I was just alluding to, the second you identify as a human, you’ve heard me say it before, the second you identify as a human, you inherit every limitation of being human.
Back here to Kryon. Kryon said, every human being carries an innate spiritual connection and inner divinity, even if most people walk through life and they are completely unaware of it. Now, when you think about that and you think about what I’ve already shared, if that is true, and it is true because we are all consciousness, and because we are all consciousness, we are all part of the one, we are all part of the universe, we all carry that spiritual connection, we all carry that inner divinity, we can either identify and live there, or we can be completely unaware of that and live in a 3D ego and then inherit all the limitations of the 3D ego.
Now, about the 3D ego, where did we learn it? Where did we learn the human ego? Part of it’s brain-based. Part of it is survival-based. And that’s a vestige of the evolution of the human species. But I refer back to, and I’ve talked about this before, Plato’s allegory of the cave. And I’m not going to go into the allegory of the cave now, but the allegory of the cave is, and I won’t go into it in depth, that these people were chained to a wall and all they could see was shadows. And they came to believe that these shadows were reality. So they lived in the reality or in the thought that these shadows were real, not even knowing that there was an entire outside world outside of the cave where they were chained up and they were in prison. Well, most of us are no different. We learned a 3D story, like, as I’m calling him the bishop, and we live that story our entire lifetime.
And the truth is, I’m not negating anyone’s religion. If you want to be religious, be religious. That is your choice. That is your free will. My objective is to metaphorically take you to higher ground to start experiencing life in a new way, from a new perspective. And as I said in the opening, understanding your authenticity and your power and reclaiming your—I didn’t use this word earlier, but reclaiming your spiritual autonomy. And earlier, I asked you, or I talked about freedom. I talked about freedom in the headline. Well, everyone wants freedom, but yet when you live from the container, you have no freedom other than the freedom that is within the container. And if you truly want the autonomy and the freedom, you have to get outside of the container.
But what most of us do, like Allegory of the Cave, we learn the container, we learn to identify with the container. And then, you know what’s crazy about us human beings, when we identify as a human, solely as a human, when we learn the container, and we learn the 3D identity of the container, meaning we identify with it, then what we do is we don’t just identify with it, we fight. We literally will do anything to defend the container. And not only that, we will fight those people who challenge our story about the container.
I recently got an email from someone. And the team sent it to me. I don’t read all the emails that come through. We get quite a few. And the team sent one. And this person said, quite erroneously, they said that I, because of the podcast and what I share, they said that I hate Christians. That was their exact word. Exactly what they said was, is referring to me, he hates Christians. Well, that’s not true at all. My point is this. I’m wanting to free you from the limitations and the dogma that we are indoctrinated with as beings. We all have that seed of divinity in us. We all have that divineness, and it’s taken from us through the indoctrination. And the bigger point is notice what this person was doing. Obviously, they identified as a Christian, and they were fighting and attacking me because I in some way threatened their identity, their 3D identity of living in the container and air quote being a Christian.
So we do this, but the question for you is to what degree do you do this? You know, if you want to take spirituality out of this, so to speak, look at the world that we live in right now. Now, I don’t know when you’ll be listening to this, but if you look at the political culture in the world, the election in Germany recently, here in the US, MAGA, make America great again. And then all the bullshit they’re kicking up and all the lies and all the illusions, but also on the other side of the aisle as well. And I guarantee you, neither side is asking for truth. And the truth is, we’re all one. We’re all the same. But no one’s asking, well, these people are not asking for the truth. They are asking for what confirms their reality. They are asking for what confirms their beliefs. And anything beyond that, they negate. And they’re over here in these two containers, a container on the left, so to speak, a container on the right, so to speak. And they’re fighting each other, not even aware and not even recognizing that they are fighting themselves.
So what we do as human beings is, plain and simple, we fool ourselves. We fool ourself into believing we are the 3D container. That 3D container has a story. And in that story, which that story, like the bishop—I’m laughing because I don’t know if he was a bishop, I just keep calling him that—we live in the story of the container. The unfortunate thing about living in the story of the container is that container is 100% vulnerable to the external world. That container many times is broken, mislabeled, afraid, lonely, poor, and very specifically, at the mercy of the circumstances created by that very container.
My objective with those of you that want to go on this journey, is I’ve said before probably two or three times in the podcast, every New Year’s, when I hang out with my brother-in-law and he hugs me and he says, every New Year’s, he said this for over 20 years, I hope you know yourself better this year than you knew yourself last year. And we put that often in the context of the human container. We often think, well, okay, I hope I know my human container better this year than I did or I do from last year. But that’s not what he means. And that’s not what he meant. What he’s really meaning is, I hope that you wake up and recognize and you come to know yourself that you are not the container. You are not the past history. You are not the human identity. You are not all of that context that you have learned to identify with, because when you identify with all of that context, you don’t know yourself, but you know the illusion of what you think that you are.
Now, with what I just said, every new year, he would say, I hope you know yourself better this year than last year. But the question is, what is yourself? And as I just said, many of us think ourself is the 3D container. The Australian. The Venezuelan. The Argentinian. The Russian. The white guy. The black woman. The this. The rich. The poor. The tall. The short. The gay. The straight. The abled. The disabled. Whatever. Whatever. All these human labels. And then we seek many times to improve the label, but that’s really not knowing yourself. It’s simply just putting a band-aid, so to speak, on the human 3D ego.
Now, when we’re done at the end of our time today, I’m going to take you through a really short couple of questions, maybe like two questions, like literally two question quiz. And the title or the question that I have for you when we get there in a moment is, Do you know yourself as 3D ego or do you know yourself as soul? And you’ve heard me say before that my objective is to know myself as soul. Actually, let’s just go ahead and do that now. So if you want to see what you identify with and as, and if you want to see how spiritual you are, got a couple of questions for you.
And the first question is this. And it can be both a question and a statement. But the statement would be, think of your three biggest fears. And the question would be, what are your three biggest fears? Fear of imposter syndrome? Fear of illness? Fear of loneliness? Fear of being judged, fear of not being good enough, fear of abandonment, fear of—I don’t know if I said it earlier, but a lack of money or health or people in your life or whatever. But again, the first question or statement is, think of your three biggest fears or what are your three biggest fears?
Next question or statement. Think of three things that you fight to defend. Or the question is, is what three things do you fight to defend? The lady who sent the email was fighting to defend her Christianity. People fight to defend them being Islamic, or them being gay, or them being rich, or them being poor, whatever it might be. Many people right now in the world are fighting to defend their political and nationalistic identity. They are fighting to defend being—many millions here in the U.S. are fighting to air quote defend being a free country and a democracy and all these kind of bullshit things that people get into. But the same thing happens all around the world. Think of three things that you fight to defend.
Now, if you can actually answer anything that I just asked you, and by the way, no one is perfect. We are all on our journeys. I as well am on my journey and in the process of my own evolution. So I don’t expect any like black and white answers to this, but I want you to recognize something. When I ask you to identify name or whatever your three biggest fears, and then I asked you to identify or name three things you would fight to defend, if you could name anything, if you could answer any of that with a 3D answer, meaning I fear being alone, I fear not having money, I fear being rejected, I fear being isolated, I fear blah, blah, blah, or I will fight to defend this, that, or the other, in that second, you are declaring you identify predominantly as a 3D human being. And what you’re also saying, because it’s all 3D, is that you don’t identify and you don’t know yourself predominantly as soul. You identify as a human being.
So what do we do with all of this? To live fully and alive, to live in our spiritual autonomy, our spiritual sovereignty, is we have to transcend the human ego brainwashing. And I want to share a thought with you. Take it. Don’t take it. You can like this and use it as your own. You cannot. It’s entirely. But every morning, I sit for 15 minutes and I hold a thought in my awareness. And I want to share this thought with you because this thought helps me, assists me, assists the container. It assists me in transcending the container. And what I hold to my thought is, I am not a physical container attempting to manage my life or fix my conditions. I am divine consciousness itself witnessing this temporary container move through a physical environment.
I want to say that again. I hold this in my thought, in my awareness, meaning when I say my, I’m speaking of my, the container, and I can go a lot deeper and I will as in our time together, not today, but in upcoming episodes. What I hold is I am not a physical container attempting to manage my life or fix my conditions. By the way, the reason you’re here and the reason you listen is because you’re trying to manage your life or fix your conditions. Ponder that because that is true. Next, what I hold is I am divine consciousness itself witnessing—when I said I’d go deeper, that’s what I mean, but not today—witnessing this temporary container move through a physical environment. Notice this. I’m not attempting to be spiritual. I’m not attempting anything other than the awareness of I am. Because the second I try to be spiritual, and this applies to everyone, the second that we attempt to be spiritual or even declare spirituality, in that moment, we are declaring we are not that, and we are simultaneously declaring we do not have that in our life.
Now, with everything that I just said, I’ve done this for many years now, and I’m changing. That’s just the bottom line. And I know that I’m going to lose people. And for people that have been around for many years, I’m extraordinarily grateful and blessed to be able to serve. But if what I’m saying feels right to you, and it feels truthful to you, and you want to go a lot deeper in the exploration and discovery of what it means to be you from a soulful level, then I’m excited to invite you on this journey with me.
Over the past many years, what I’ve helped people do is I’ve helped people fix the container to change their circumstances. And for decades, I’ve taught people how to actually break free from their circumstances and different things. But the truth is that I’ve grown beyond that. And I mean that respectfully and humbly. The truth is, we have to go beyond even trying to fix the container. I no longer want to do that. I want to take you higher and beyond the container. And the truth is, as I was alluding to, many will not want to go with me. I know this. Many people love the container they’re in. I don’t know. Actually, I shouldn’t mention any names. But I look at these people that you might see online, these social media personalities. And they’re talking about how beautiful they are and improving, constantly talking about improving the container. Or people are afraid to leave the container because then they, air quote, won’t know who they are, or they’re afraid to leave the container, meaning identification of the container, because I’m not asking anybody to leave the container, meaning I’m not asking anyone to transcend or air quote, die. Far from it. But what I’m saying is we’re afraid to leave the identity of the container because we have some ego benefit and we’re afraid to leave that ego benefit. But the truth is you have a shit ton, and I chose that word intentionally, and a lot more power when you abandon the identity of the container. Because when you set yourself free from the container, you literally set yourself free from all the limitations of the container.
I want to share something with you here. And I share it because many of you listening, you’ll be able to relate to this. I got an email. My team sent it to me. I do not know who the email is from. It’s going to take me maybe two or three minutes to read the email, but I share it because I promise you, there’s probably a part of you, yes, you listening right now, there’s a part of you that may be able to relate to this in some way, and then I’ll tell you why I shared this.
Jim, I just wanted to sincerely thank you for guiding me on this path. I don’t know how I stumbled onto you a few months ago, but I was in a place of real and very deep personal pain. You know, there was a time when I would not sleep and I would stay up at night in great worry and with heavy tears soaking my pillow. I did seek help for emotional pain, fears, and worry. And although it did help, there were a bit of times when I’d fall back into the same sadness and same pain. My health suffered. My money struggles got worse. Everything was just chaotic.
Now that point right there is something that many of you are listening to. This is Jim speaking, not the email. That’s things that many of you can relate to. Staying up at night. The fear, the worry, the suffering, the struggles, things getting worse, the chaos, and the chaos in the world, and you pacing the floor at night.
Now back to the email. The person says, I was truly fighting a war within myself. I really hated everything. I found no joy in anything. I found outlets like alcohol and smoking to mask the pain to escape.
Well, this is what I know. There’s a certain percentage of you right now listening that can relate to that.
I was able to quit my dependence on things from one of your podcasts about habits. The message and your podcast have given me great guidance. And now with the Brainwashed program and putting down the stories of the 3D and working from source and consciousness have provided me with peace, happiness, calm, and love. Your message and Brainwashed have really resonated with me. And I like how you frame and reframe the messages in the Zoom calls. I am getting it. And although there is still some growth to do, I am on a good journey knowing that I am consciousness and realizing and knowing everything is now, has been, and will always be fine.
The reason I share that with you, if you listened and you stayed with me while I read that, if you’re honest with yourself, you can see yourself, some aspect of you, probably not all of you, but some aspect of you and what I just read, which I just said a bit ago. Maybe it’s the loneliness. Maybe it’s the fear. Maybe it’s the money. Maybe it’s the health. But when you hold on to the 3D identity, those are all things that we hold on to. And these are all things that are products of the 3D identity. We have to actually come to know what this person said. We have to come to not understand it, which is my journey to help people come to know. We have to come to know that I am consciousness. When we come to know that, we come to know ourself as soul. When we know ourself as soul, all the limitations, all of them of the 3D identity fall away.
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Side note, I’m most likely going to be changing the name and rebranding this podcast. And I’ll be sharing the name of the new podcast starting next week. But I’m just letting you know this, because as I mentioned earlier, we’re going to start moving beyond the human container, the 3D container, and we’re going to stop trying to fix and manage the conditions of life. And we’re going to actually start understanding and knowing ourself as divine consciousness, witnessing—there’s that word again—witnessing this temporary container as we move through this physical environment. And I told you that a bit earlier. So if you want true freedom in your life and you want to stop identifying as the container, get on the wait list for the upcoming Brainwashed program.
Okay, I’ve said a lot in this episode. Again, if you want to go on this journey with me, let’s go. If you don’t, I’m honored to have been with you the time that I have and all the earlier episodes can help you with many things in your 3D life and please continue to like and share those as well and listen and execute. Speaking of liking and listening, if you got value here, I’d be very grateful if you shared this episode. But not only that, if you go over to Apple and leave me a five-star review, anything less than that is not going to help me. But a five-star review hopefully maybe will help me with the algorithm where I can reach more people and help more people. So for now, thank you for being here. And I will catch you over on another episode. Bye-bye.

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If 2025 feels like it’s slipping through your fingers, this is your wake-up call.

“Break Free” is the mid-year reset your soul has been craving…a FREE LIVE training to help you finally align who you ARE with what you WANT (no more forcing goals that don’t stick).

 

It’s all happening July 16th

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