I went to multi six figures in 90 days from like four figure months to multi six
figures and have sustained that. I was holding on tightly to control and I knew I
had to get out of healthcare. It was a toxic environment for me. It wasn’t serving
me mentally and emotionally to be there anymore. And I just had this pull to be in
hypnosis and I learned to let go of control. Service is about being in your heart
and doing it For the sake of helping someone not for what you can get out of it
and I just think that that is that is so important because When you show up with
that pure intention people notice people are gonna judge you if you do everything
Perfect, you’re gonna be judged So, you may as well go do what you want to do and
live your life.
You’re listening to the Transform Your Life from the Inside Out podcast. This is
another episode where I’m interviewing a former TCP transformational coaching program
student. Her name is Penny Chiesen And we’re going to chat with her about all the
changes she made in her life when she started transforming her life from the inside
out. So Penny, thank you for being here today. I’m excited to be here.
I really just can’t express enough how much I want to share with what being in
your world has done for my life because it’s been truly transformative and everybody
in my family knows your name. They know who Jim is. – And they probably get tired
of that, but tell you what, let’s dig into that. So let’s go here first. How did
you find me? – Well, that was a fluke. I have reopened my business in January,
2018. And I had heard about Marie Forleo’s B School and I discovered all these
Facebook groups around entrepreneurship, imagine that. And I came across Jill and Josh
Stanton and they hosted you for a webinar. I signed up, didn’t get to join live,
but I kept getting the replays. And the third time I watched the replay, even
though I had been telling myself, I know this stuff, this stuff is all familiar. I
said, you know what, clearly I meant to be here. So the third time I watched the
replay, I pulled the trigger and signed up. – Yeah, I wanna dig into that. And you
know what’s funny is James Wedmore once said to me, he goes, “Jim, a lot of things
you say I’ve heard before, but I didn’t really know it like I thought I knew it
until I worked with you.” And then when I worked with you, I actually came to know
it, recognizing that I only understood it in the past. And then when I came to
know it, that’s when I started transforming my life. Would that be a fair statement
for you? – You stole my line. – Sorry about that.
– That’s exactly what I was gonna say. Knowledge isn’t anything if you don’t
incorporate it, experience it and embody it and develop that knowing around it.
– Yeah, and you know what’s interesting is I’m getting to a place in my life where
it’s, for example, like, I don’t even know this is a good example, but like an
American president, like the current one, He can do whatever he wants because he’s
not worried about reelection like a lot of different people They’re wanting to be
reelected. So they’ll just say they’ll do whatever only as a metaphor But you know
what you just said I have said over and over and over again And so many people
just don’t get it and that you can listen to a podcast I don’t even care if it’s
mine and I know mine is a good one You can listen and listen and listen, But
listening is one thing. Being able to embody is a completely different ball of wax.
And if you can’t embody what you’re listening to, then it’s really not of a great
value. And here’s the thing. We literally obviously can’t see through our blind
spots. So we don’t even know what we’re missing. And we don’t even know that we’re
missing things when we’re trying to change our life. So I added a little bit more
upon what you said, but thank you for saying that because so many people think that
listening is enough and it is not enough. Let’s dig in here. Of course,
I know your story, but I don’t know all the specifics and details. What were you
doing for a living when you enrolled in the very first TCP? I was a full -time
nurse anesthetist at a level one trauma center, And I was building my hypnosis
business on the side and I had closed my business for several years so that was
less than a year old at the point that I joined. And that was the reason I joined
because I didn’t know how to think like a business owner, like an entrepreneur,
and I didn’t know where else to start. And you really kind of hit on in the
master class or the webinar that you did about the higher perspective. I still
remember that image of New York City and the higher perspective. That really sticks
out for me, but that’s where I was. I was 39 hours a week in the hospital,
probably 20 on the business, and for both of those, I had three hours commute round
trip each day. You know, interesting. Talking about the higher perspective, that
perspective, that is in the B2Have series coming up in about three to four weeks, I
think later in early in March. And I was looking at the slide deck thinking about
what I wanted to add, what I wanted to pull out. And when I asked people what was
their biggest takeaway from module number one, people said the higher perspective.
And for me, it was just filler content. I just put it in there to put something
in there. But people are like, wow, When I got a higher perspective on life, that
changed everything for me. Okay, let’s fast forward. That was 2020, I believe,
is that correct? – September 2018. – Was it that long? I’ve known you that long.
– You’ve known me that long. – Gosh, I did not recognize that. Where is your life?
Okay, because people will say, “Well, okay, that’s taken our seven years.” Where were
you in 2020 with your business after we met. So 18,
24 months later. – I was full -time entrepreneur and I can attribute that to TCP
because I was holding on tightly to control and I knew I had to get out of
healthcare. It was a toxic environment for me. It wasn’t serving me mentally and
emotionally to be there anymore. And I just had this pull to be in hypnosis and I
learned to let go of control. And probably in July of 2019, I felt like I was
riding a wave and I was cresting a wave. I could not explain it. I didn’t know
what it was. And then there was a moment that UNTCP were a part of that my life
changed in a matter of minutes. And so from the moment of letting go of control,
like when I fully got that, and I’ll let go of control in less than six months,
I’d hand it in my resignation. – I remember when you did that, and you know, I say
in TCP all the time, control is an illusion. And when you get into control, you’re
controlled by the illusion of control, right? And the amount of people that try to
control things. Of course, you know the name because of, he’s in my community, James
Wedmore, a good friend of mine, he was making two million a year when I was
coaching him one to one. And within 18 months, he went to 10 million a year
because he had learned to let go of control. So would you say control is one of
the biggest limitations for a lot of people? It is. And Speaking of those blind
spots you mentioned earlier, if you’re not careful, those things sneak back up on
you and you will slip back into that habit of control, which happened to me a
little over a year and a half ago. And it has been a journey because it was at a
much deeper level than I had realized. And of all things, you think you’ll learn
the lesson. And then here comes the two by four. It was tied to money. Tied to
money. That’s a big one. What was that aha moment, if you remember, in TCP, where
you’re like, oh my gosh, I am controlling things. And this is how I went about
letting it go. That was in May of 2019. I was working on the abundance piece.
And that was when you first started bringing some hypnosis, subconscious reprogramming
into the program. And It was around the idea of insurance.
So my husband has a chronic condition and the medication is very expensive.
It’s more expensive than the insurance premiums. And so I had gotten hung up on
this needing to control his access to health care, the medications and something that
you had said, I don’t remember exactly what it was. It’s like,
how do I find this place where I can be aware of the things I need to do to
make sure need, forget that word, of the things I get to do to make sure we’re
supported and cared for without putting my attention on it and letting it expand or
grow. I just really dove into having the awareness without being attached to it and
maybe this is what it was. This is what’s coming for me. You’ve said many times
that being attached to our expectations or attachment is the source of unhappiness
and somehow that that came into play and that whole piece of control.
So being able to look at those things and remind myself – You are okay,
everything works out. – Which, something I said in TCP and I think at some place
you reinforce that you got it. When I’ve said everything always has been, is now
and will always be fine. And something sticks in my mind that you brought that to
my attention and said, I have awareness of this now. I understand what this means
now is that it’s always going to be fine, no matter what happens. – And that’s
true. – Very true, it’s 100 % true, but so many people will say it’s not true
because they work from, oh my gosh, if this happens or that happens or this happens
or that happens, my life’s gonna be horrible, people are gonna laugh at me, I’m
gonna look bad, I’m gonna be this, it’s all control, every bit of it. – It is, and
one of the things that I often say and I remind itself is, it’s going to be fine.
Everything is now always has been and will be fine. That doesn’t mean it’s exactly
the way you wanted it. Right. So, it’s a fine line, but it also doesn’t mean it
has to be terrible either. We’re resourceful. Exactly. And you know,
it might not be, what I have found, it might not be the way that you wanted or
had it, but I also have found in my own life, you can completely reinvent and make
it even stronger and better than what it was when you thought it was fine. But we
hang on to things so prevalently and we won’t let things go that it’s hard to
bring new things into our lives. Is there a comment you want to make on that? I
just, the one thing that you taught that I have embodied in everything that I do
His identity and you cannot be who you want to be clinging to who you are now
what you’re attached to now. I mean some things move with us, but not Everything
and I remember a story that you told and I have my own Examples of this story of
the woman that you worked with. I think her
– I remember Bob and from Dallas 20 years ago, yeah. – If you do more than just
listen to that and you really think about it, that is a powerful story in and of
itself. – So people are gonna want to know what that story is. They’re like, why
didn’t you tell the story? The story is this very quickly. I worked with a woman,
she was in her mid sixties and she said, I can’t sustain relationships because I am
the adult child of an alcoholic. And I said, “Where did you hear that?” She goes,
“My therapist told me that.” And I said, “When is the last time you saw your
father?” She said, “When I was 18.” And I said, “How old are you now?” And she
said, “48.” And I said, “What is that, 40 years?” Or,
“I don’t know how many years, 40 years, whatever.” And I go, “That was decades
ago.” And she’s like, “Oh my God, I never recognized that I’ve been carrying that
story and I’ve identified it as somebody who could not maintain relationships.
I carried it for decades and been lonely, but I haven’t seen my father in 40
years. And so many of us do it. And no one’s ever mentioned, like you have right
now, that they really got the gravity of that story, but that is true.
It’s all our identity. And what we are at an identity level is exactly what will
happen to us money. How did this affect your money? And the first let’s say from
2019 till 2023 or 4. The transformation, well I mean it was everything.
When I first got into TCP I didn’t feel comfortable charging. It was social worker
mentality where I was demographically. I’ll let that define it. But going full time
in my business, I got to do a lot of work around that because, as you know, it’s
not the same as having that paycheck come every, every two weeks, right?
But I mean, I went to multi six figures in 90 days from like four figure months
to multi six figures and have sustained that question. How did that happen?
Service working from, Yeah. Working from service, I can tell you unequivocally if at
any point, if I looked at my numbers, my schedule,
if at any moment my energy flipped to I’m not going to make my break even for the
month or anything like that, the minute that energy flips to, “How do I close
another client? How am I going to make up the shortfall?” It’s like a house of
cards. You can’t operate a business. Well, I mean, you can, but you be far more
successful if you don’t operate your business from that place. That was huge. Not
working hard for money, the less you do, the easier it is. It’s not anything I was
ever taught for sure. You know, what we teach is a lot of contrarian, but yet
things that most people have learned, we’ve learned from our parents and everyone
thinks that way, and then they wonder why they struggle. Let’s touch on that for a
moment. I can’t tell you the amount of people and the amount of people listening
right now that will say, they listen to the podcast because they want more in life.
Every single time I offer TCP, even though I analytically say when you work by
circumstance, you will repeat your circumstance. It just doesn’t register.
It just does not register. So they keep, and with respect,
they keep coming back to the B2F series and then wondering why is nothing changing?
What would you tell somebody, a friend of yours, that said, “I really want to do
something. I want to work a gym or whatever, but I can’t afford it.” What would
you tell them? I can’t afford it. What can I do today?
Who can I be and what can I do that will allow the space for that to flow into
my life? Because it doesn’t always look the same for every one,
but when I want to do something, I ask myself, How can I create an opportunity for
this to flow in and be a match for it? Of course, most people wouldn’t get the
energetics yet at that point. But when we operate from the “I can’t because,” you
just can’t, you don’t get ahead that way. Nothing changes that way at all.
And talking about that, and I was there many years ago life is I can’t do X,
Y, Z because of money. And I always worked from half do B. If I have or had
more, I can do more. And then I could be successful. And obviously what I teach
you guys in the B to have series, you’ve got to be before you can do before you
can have that success. That’s backwards the way we’re taught. But the way we’re
taught does not work. So what are you doing today? What am I doing today.
Well, I’m still running my hypnosis practice. I have reintroduced trainings and that’s
where we’re focusing our attention now. I’m only one person and you said this to me
once. I love doing my one -on -one work and you told me you’re never going to be
able to scale one -on -one. And, you know, you’re right. There’s limits to that. And
I’m looking at how can I have the biggest impact on the most people with what I’ve
learned, because everything I’ve learned in TCP has infused everything that I do,
from the identity work to the letting go of control, to helping people to shift the
victim -like thinking that they don’t even see they’re there because most people would
not view these people as being in a victim state.
So it’s about increasing impact and that’s where my focus is these days.
And that was a huge lesson for me last year talking about circumstance. I
periodically slipped back into that and it took a lot of participation and
responsibility on my part to shift out of that and to just allow myself to once
again become comfortable in this new space of being really uncomfortable for the
vision that I have. – Yeah, let me add there, and you’ve been around me for a long
time, and you know that tact is not my best suit. I just tell it like it is.
Here’s what I see, and if you like somebody who’s direct, not going to like me. I
get that. I’m okay with that. I’m totally okay with that. But, you know,
when you use the V word, victim, so many people say,
you know, you kind of seen it or maybe saw in TCP where I’m like, you’re
completely in victim mentality. And people are mad at me because I’m telling them
they’re in victim mentality. And Later, when they really look at it, they’re like,
“Oh my God, I was in victim mentality.” Would you say now that you do a lot of
coaching, because I already know the answer to this, but I’ll ask you your opinion,
would you say that there is a significant amount of the population in victim
mentality and they don’t even know it? The majority of the population. I mean,
just look. I didn’t choose that word intentionally because I didn’t want to, but it
is that. – Yeah, but just look at the political landscape. I don’t care what country
you’re in. When you give your ability to feel safe, secure, and cared for,
when you hand that over to an ideology or religion, a political party, your
employer. – An economy. – Exactly, that is putting yourself at the whim of something
outside of you. This giving away your personal power, which means that you’re subject
to whatever this external thing decides or does, which makes you a victim.
And people don’t like that. And sometimes I’ll still catch myself saying something, I
can’t because, or I didn’t do that because. And I’m like, no, no, no, stop, stop,
stop. – You know, we’re no different. I’ve been in this field for 30 years and I’ve
caught myself going, whoa, okay, you’re making interpretations, Jim, back up. I’ll ask
myself, are you in victim mentality in this moment? Victim mentality is also blaming,
blaming the economy, blaming Biden, blaming Trump, blaming whatever, blaming Putin,
you know, invading Ukraine and that affect commodity prices. And that’s Yeah, it’s
blaming something. And when we’re blaming, we’re not responsible for our life.
And in that moment, that relieves us of responsibility. Why? Because I’m blaming you
or someone else. I don’t have to own that when I’m partly co -creating here and I
don’t own it. You had mentioned also, and you absorbed it because actually I’d
forgotten till today, I introduced you to one of my very good friends, Virginia
Cook. And she’s the one who taught me about the true value of service. What can
you share with listeners about the value of service and business? Well, service is
about being in your heart and doing it for the sake of helping someone,
not for what you can get out of it. And I just think that that is so important
because when you show up with that pure intention,
people notice, they feel seen, they feel heard, and you know,
people talk, if you’re in business, people talk about you, whether you realize it or
not, whether you want to embrace it or not. And if you’re someone who’s not of
service, people are going to hear that. So it’s just in your best interest to
operate from that place. And then whatever happens, you can feel good about what
you’re doing. And that’s just a vibration in and of itself. Yeah. Let me, let me,
thank you for that. Let me ask you a question because you seem, which I think I
knew, but you have a really good grasp of the processes and what we do in TCP,
fear of judgment. What do you want to add? Because there are so many people
listening that are so afraid that if I start a business where I put myself out
there, people are going to judge me. Oh, people love to judge. It’s the past time.
When you decide to take ownership of your life and your future. People feel
threatened by that. Either they have their own experiences where they have judgments
around people with money and business owners, or it’s something they’ve never had the
courage to do themselves and they don’t understand it. For months, my mom would ask
me, “So how’s your little business doing? When are you going back to work?” I had
to stop talking to her about it because it would hear that, but people are gonna
judge you. If you do everything perfect, you’re gonna be judged. So you may as well
go do what you wanna do and live your life. And that’s one of the things that was
just reinforced time and again in TCP. You may as well live your life.
People are gonna judge you anyway. So where that comes back to me is when you have
true unconditional self -love. When you trust yourself to be resourceful,
I mean, when you really do that, I mean, not perfection, but when you’re consistent
with that, what other people think simply does not matter. You nailed it exactly as
I say it. No matter what you do, people are going to judge you because people are
meeting, making machines. So why don’t I just go do what you love to do because
you’re going to be judged anyway. And that’s just the way the world is. You’ve used
this word twice now, and I would love you to share your perspective on this. There
are so many people that, and I don’t think I’m judging, partly sometimes I want to
pull my hair out because I’m like, when are they going to get it? But then again,
in fairness to anyone that I’ve worked with or even people listening, you know,
Don Havere, my brother -in -law who you’ve met and may have done some work with, I
also have compassion for him because he, all the people that he works with, I’m
sure he’s like, “When are they going to get it finally?” Including me, you know,
“When are they going to get it?” I mean, for crying out loud. But the word, and I
think it’s an extraordinarily powerful concept, and I’d love you to share anything
you want with people listening, resourcefulness. Oh, I love this word.
Resourcefulness is about knowing that you don’t have to have the answer,
but you have the ability to, I don’t know,
intuition, follow your intuition, connect with someone. It doesn’t mean that You have
to be 100 % self -sufficient, but that you have the ability to open your eyes to
opportunities and explore things you never thought of before. So being resourceful
means allowing yourself to be curious and see where that goes.
My business is built on resourceful. The first time I built a business,
It was built on resourcefulness. I just didn’t know what it was back then.
So basically it’s trusting yourself to figure it out. – I just don’t follow social
media personalities. I know who she is by name. We have some mutual friends, but I
don’t follow, no disrespect, none. I just, Maria Forleo, you had mentioned. And the
one thing, the one video, and I’ve only watched one of her videos, which is like a
one minute reel. She said her mother taught her whether or not this is true,
everything is figure out a bull. And that to me is resourcefulness is,
but there’s one thing you missed, I think money. When people want to do something
and they don’t have the money, that’s when people stop. And that’s when we have to
be resourceful. Okay. I want XYZ. How do I figure out a new way to be to create
that? A good friend of mine, I interviewed her here maybe a year and a half, two
years ago. Well, Shama Heider. Shama has hundreds of employees,
social media maven. She advised the White House and LinkedIn I think calls her one
of the top 10 marketing experts in the world. And she said to me one time, we
were talking where most people fail is when they hit a wall, they will not be
resourceful. They will hit a wall and they will stop. And she said, “I don’t stop.
I will figure out how to make something happen.” You said there are several things
you wanted to share. Just what comes to mind about things you’ve learned,
and not plugging TCP, but concepts you’ve learned that people can benefit from that
are listening, what are some things that you’re like, wow, when I got that, it
shifted everything. One of the things that you said that sometimes I describe as the
cold, wet fish across the face is that you’re 100 % influence of the circumstances
of your life. And basically that means we can choose what we think and how we
feel. So basically, we’re in charge of what our life looks like.
You know, we can have two similar situations into two people in the same situation.
One looks at it negatively from that victim mentality. And the other one’s in this
resourceful mindset or solution based mindset or maybe they just know how to be at
peace and that’s a stretch. When we went through some of the homework and you know
you would talk about how would you feel if you already had it and that is a
muscle that I continue to build. How would I feel if I already had it and to be
able to be in that place because it’s our emotions that will take us over and pull
us down. What I’ve learned is going back to how we open this up is about becoming
the person who lives that in life, not just listening to it and oh That’s great,
that’s wonderful. Yeah, I like that, I believe that. But to actually live it.
– Become it.
– Yeah, that’s what being. – Be exactly how you’re being. – And be do have,
being. For some of us, especially for me growing up in the rural South,
in my early 20s, something kept telling me I have to leave, I have to get out.
So leaving Mississippi and going to New England gave me a whole different perspective
on life. And sometimes we need to change something in our life just to get that
different perspective because if we continue to think the same way and we don’t give
ourselves an opportunity to have a different perspective, then we’re never going to
have it. So I would say for anybody who’s just going through life and it’s more of
the same and you’re not satisfied with the same, do something different.
Just get curious about life. You don’t have to pick up and move or quit your job
and start a business. Just pick one thing. It shifted. When you say do something
different, doing comes from our way of being. Because many times we are being
fearful. And when we’re being fearful, we cannot do something different.
How would you tell someone to get through that? Meaning to work their way through
from the just unparalleled with fear to the doing.
So If you’re feeling paralyzed with fear, I would, and I’ve said this to people
that I’ve worked with and friends from TCP, think about something that you’ve always
really enjoyed doing. Maybe when you were much younger and you don’t do it anymore
and get curious and just allow yourself some space to do something that’s familiar,
but you enjoyed it. Because fear comes from our thinking and our state.
If we can break that emotional state even for a little bit, it gives us the
opportunity
to be in a different energy and to see things from a different perspective. The
other thing you have to do, and I know you said like not to plug TCP, but you
know, this is this is the root of everything. You’re not your thoughts, you’re the
thinker, your thoughts. The master thought formula just simply choose a different
thought and it’s rooted in neuroscience wherever your attention is for 17 seconds it
begins to gain momentum and if you can stay there for just over a minute you can
shift the state you can do anything for one minute anything yeah that that’s a big
one and that applies to me like everyone else is if I’m not feeling well.
I’m agitated. I’m whatever it might be. It comes down to one thing. Where is my
attention? Because that didn’t just happen arbitrarily. My attention is somewhere.
And a phrase we use in this household regularly is move your attention.
And that was a big one because when we were building the house, I mean, it was
really first world problem, but it was a challenge. It was really draining to build
this house. And we often had to remind each other, move your attention. Forget the
fact that they’re working on the back deck literally at 4am in the morning. Move
your attention.
And you’ll find more power when you recognize and you master moving your attention
off on what you don’t want and moving it to what you do want. Okay,
so what else do you wanna throw in here? I wanna talk about hypnosis and you and
your business, but what else do you, is there another thought, something that you
learned in TCP that helped you build a business, improved your relationship, your
money or your health? – I’m gonna go with relationship for a moment because I think
this is something almost everybody listening could relate to. When I was back at the
hospital, this is in 2018, again, those three 13 hour shifts. If I was on
consecutive days, I had less than eight hours at home to sleep,
get a shower, eat that kind of thing. I would come home at the end of the three
days and both kitchen sinks would be piled with dishes.
I went into TCP one day and I did a post and I was talking about how it just
like really irritated me because I was basically looking for help how to shift out
of it because every time I come home it’s like I have all these dishes to wash. I
mean, he’s one man. This is where my head was. He’s one man. It’s one meal. It’s
maybe a plate, a cup, a your butt off. Exactly, because I chose to retire him and
let him work on the farm in part time, and you came back to me, and I’m not
going to get into the specifics of what you said, because it’s not my story to
tell, but what it boiled down to is there are people who would love to have
someone in their home to dirty those dishes for you to clean and it showed me
where my attention was. My attention wasn’t on gratitude that I have this wonderful
soulmate. It wasn’t on gratitude that I have a house that’s paid for. Rain is my
childhood home, but, you know, grateful that I have food to eat off of plates and
plates to eat off of in the hot water and the soap to wash them. Like I have all
of this stuff. But I was focused on this one little thing that, you know,
for whatever reason, I felt like, I don’t know, was it stealing my time? Was it
disrespect? I don’t know. I don’t know what I was feeling at the time. But I think
almost everybody listening has something in their life that they’re focusing on that
one little annoyance and not the 99 .99 % of beauty and abundance that’s around it.
– That’s beautiful because in TCP, we do a week on choice and triggers. And when
we’re triggered, which triggers are our biggest gift. And when we’re triggered, which
you were triggered, literally in that moment, as we talk about in TCP, you were
judging. You were judging him and condemning him, et cetera, et cetera. and then you
would get into your anger, frustration, resentment, whatever it was about that. And I
remember what I told you was that, and I’m just going to be fully transparent, I
learned that in college from, believe it or not, of all people, Dear Abby. When I
was reading Dear Abby, this woman said she used to be triggered by her husband
leaving his dirty socks on the floor and she was sick of it. And one day he had
a massive heart attack and he left the planet. And she goes, what I wouldn’t give
for him to have his dirty socks back on the floor again. It was such a trivial
thing that I got into. And then what we can’t do is when you’re in your anger,
you can’t have a constructive conversation with the person about, okay, let’s resolve
this so it doesn’t happen anymore. Because you’re in your anger, your resentment,
your frustration, you’re tired and everything else, and everything melts down. Now you
gotta fight and then argue with people. So you’ve been there before. Let’s talk
about something that scares a lot of people for whatever reason, the H word,
hypnosis. So I’ve been a hypnotist for, I don’t know,
about 28, 29, 30 years now. And as best I know, it’s one of the safest ways for
people to create change in their life. So what do you want to share? Because you’re
working as a full -time, well actually you’re working as a full -time what? Hypnotist.
I call myself a success alchemist. I bring that higher perspective and wisdom from
shamanism into it as well. But yes, a hypnotist and trainer. What kind of people,
what would somebody come to you for?
Most people come I mean, because they have that self -awareness and realization that
they’re in fear. They don’t need to be in, they want to trust themselves more. They
want to stop doubting themselves and basically getting in their own way. Like,
they have that level of awareness. So when it like smoking weight loss, I don’t do
that, I don’t do that stuff. I help people who know there’s a better version of
them and they want to be that person. So it’s identity level work through and
through. When you have direct influence over your life, what’s funny is,
I remember somebody in TCP in 2019 saying that phrase really impacted me, is that I
have influence in my life. And ironically, I ran into her yesterday in Whole Foods,
Jennifer. And she said, when I heard that on your audio, I never looked at it,
that I literally, me, I have influence in my own life.
And why I segue there is because that’s in the audio WAM workshop of the mind,
which is a hypnosis audio and TCP. Now, when you were in TCP, you were doing one
-to -one prior, correct?
Yeah, it was one -to -one. Yeah, What are you doing now as a group? So I do some
exclusive one -on -one. I’ve started a membership. It’s an audio vault membership.
And then I have Inner Circle, which has twice monthly calls where basically I coach
people using conversational hypnosis to come into that higher perspective in the 3D
and some spiritual aspects of it as well. And then I have the training program.
Why do you think so many people are afraid of hypnosis? I think because of the
common myths, the whole Hollywood aspect of mind control,
not remembering. And you often hear people use the words like put under,
put you in hypnosis. And if someone is not willing to allow themselves to be guided
into hypnosis, you’re not going to go in because we have a protective mechanism in
the brain. But hypnosis is natural. Right. When you’re driving, you almost miss your
exit, you’re in hypnosis. Yeah, no one puts you in hypnosis, but people think
they’re going to be controlled. And I tell people, you know, if that were true,
then you’re not reading every day where somebody was hypnotized and gave someone else
their pin number and they got wiped out because they were what they call under
hypnosis as opposed to being in hypnosis. Yeah, I once had someone call,
you know, I used to be a certified registered nurse anesthetist. I let that board
certification go because I wasn’t practicing anymore. Which scared you? Oh my gosh,
that was, that was a biggie. That was like letting go of a tree branch and
trusting that the ground was only six feet six inches beneath my feet you know it’s
like the person drowning in water when if they just put their feet down they could
stand up it was totally totally about that but I had someone call me in my office
and Jackson and they Wanted to know what do you use medications for hypnosis, and
I’m like no not at all That’s that’s not what it is and probably the other thing
is It doesn’t matter They can be people who’ve worked with other hypnotists,
and then they come work with me And I’m talking them at the end of the session
like I heard every word you’ve said I’m like well of course I told you you would
be aware of of everything you would hear my words and we just have these
preconceived notions and I attribute a lot of that to stage hypnosis because the
classic command at the end of any stage hypnosis yeah but at the end of any show
they say they give the suggestion you’re not gonna have any memory and that’s just
the out so that when people’s friends are and I’m from doing weird, crazy, wild
stuff. I can say, “Oh, I don’t remember any of that.” – Yeah. – You know.
– It’s an extremely effective tool for change and transformation, which is why we use
it inside TCP to work on the identity. Okay, a couple more questions here, then
we’ll go to the secret podcast. Number one is that I tell you what to say today.
– Absolutely not. (laughing) Love that inflection. Were you paid for your time today?
No. Absolutely not, right? No. And then finally, you know,
people say often, “I don’t need to work with you, Jim, and TCP. The podcast is
enough.” What’s your thought on that?
Until you’re in it, you don’t know. Because I thought I knew it. When I watched
the webinar, because I was a hypnotist, everything, a lot of the concepts around
thinking and shifting thoughts and perspective. That was all familiar to me. And when
I went in, I wasn’t prepared for all the layers that were going to be peeled back.
So, I mean, a podcast is listening, but being in a room with people where people
are being coached And maybe they’re speaking up and asking a question that you
hadn’t even realized was something you could shift in your life and hearing them be
coached and seeing yourself in that, plus getting your own questions answered, there’s
just a podcast can’t be a substitute for that. Yeah.
It’s, um, that’s like I tell people, would you rather me tell you how to ride a
bike if you want to become a champion bike rider or would you rather me put you
on a bike and coach you to a world championship as your coach, apples and oranges.
That being said, let’s wrap up our time today. Where can people find out more about
you, Penny? PennyChason .com or I’m on all the social media platforms.
PennyChason .com. Spell that please for them. Penny, P -E -N -N -Y, like the money.
Chason, C -H I -A -S -S -O -N. – Perfect,
and I’m gonna say this. I have coached hundreds of hypnotists.
And in my opinion, you’re someone that it would be to their benefit to give you a
call. I believe in your skills and I believe in your ability. And thank you for
sharing with us today, Penny. I really appreciate it. – Thank you. – Take care.