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EPISODE 482: “Do Spiritual People Worry?”

March 31, 2026

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In this episode of The Jim Fortin Podcast, Jim Fortin tackles a question that cuts to the heart of modern spiritual life: can you truly call yourself spiritual if you're consumed by worry? Jim draws a sharp line between identifying with spirituality and actually living from it — and reveals why so many self-described spiritual people are still trapped in cycles of fear, anxiety, and control. He challenges listeners to look honestly at their own behavior and ask whether their inner life matches the spiritual identity they claim.

Jim unpacks the fundamental incompatibility between worry and true spirituality, making the case that worry is, at its core, an act of distrust — a signal to the universe that you don't believe in its power to deliver. Rather than offering another technique or mindset hack, Jim redirects listeners toward the only real solution: getting still, merging with universal mind, and releasing the ego's compulsive need to control outcomes.
If you've ever wondered why your spiritual practice hasn't quieted your anxious mind, this episode will show you exactly why — and what to do instead.

What You'll Discover in This Episode:

  • (00:00) Why identifying as spiritual doesn't make you spiritual — Jim makes the critical distinction between spiritual interest and spiritual being, and why so many people have unknowingly turned their spirituality into just another form of dogma.
  • (06:33) Spirituality isn't about talk — it's about how you live — Using vivid real-world examples, Jim illustrates how people can walk the spiritual walk on the surface while being completely untethered from it in their moment-to-moment behavior.
  • (13:49) Worry is an attempt to control — and control is the opposite of trust — Jim introduces a game-changing reframe: if you're worrying, you're trying to control something — and true spirituality requires surrendering that control to the power of universal mind.
  • (21:08) You are not a being that has consciousness — consciousness has you — Jim shares the wave-and-ocean metaphor to explain why you are already inseparable from the ultimate power in the universe, and why that realization makes worry not just unnecessary, but illogical.
  • (25:40) When you worry, you're telling the universe it isn't enough — Jim reveals the hidden message behind every worried thought: a declaration to universal mind that it is not sufficient to create what you need — and why that belief keeps you stuck.
  • (30:34) How to stay in inspired action without the fear — Jim outlines the practical alternative to worried doing: staying in movement while simultaneously remaining connected to divine mind through presence, silence, and surrender.

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Transformational Takeaway

Worry is not a personality quirk or a harmless habit — it is a declaration of disconnection. Every time you worry, you are telling the universe that you don’t trust it, that you believe you have to force your reality into existence through sheer physical effort. But here’s the truth Jim wants you to sit with: you are not a separate little being trying to connect to something greater. Like a wave that is already the ocean, you are already one with consciousness — with the ultimate power in the universe. The moment you recognize that, worry loses its grip. Get still. Five minutes. No phone, no agenda, no affirmations. Just silence. That silence is where you merge with divine mind, and divine mind — which already knows your desires through your frequency — can finally do its work. Stop micromanaging the universe. Let go. And watch how quickly things begin to move when you get out of the way.

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Full Episode Transcript

Do spiritual people worry? So many times we think when we are thinking spiritual things and when we identify with spirituality, we automatically assume we are spiritual. Identifying with spirituality does not make you spiritual. So spirituality is not about talk. It’s not about lip service. Spirituality is not about interest. Spirituality is about being. Consciousness has you. But we think we have consciousness. But consciousness was here before you, before you ever incarnated. The little wave is one and the same with the ocean. Well, guess what? You, being the little wave, are the same as the ocean.

You’re listening to the Transform Your Life from the Inside Out podcast. This episode is titled, Do Spiritual People Worry? Ponder that for a moment.

This is what I know. Many people who listen to my podcast would identify as spiritual. But yet, what I see quite often is people worrying about things. And they’re incessantly worrying about bills or their money or the economy or someone’s health or their health or relationships. And what I want to dig into this episode is worry—not literally just somebody who thinks they’re spiritual—but are worry and spirituality, the essence of spirituality, compatible? Keep listening.

Okay, so in this episode we’re talking about worry. Let me ask you this. Think back to the last time that you worried about something. What was that thing? What were you worried about? In the introduction I mentioned maybe money, maybe health. Maybe you’ve lost your job. Maybe you’re moving across country and you’re not sure what that’s going to look like. Maybe you’re going to go out on a date tonight. Maybe you’re meeting somebody new. Maybe you’re meeting new in-laws. It doesn’t matter. The list goes on. But the question is, let’s go back to the last time you worried. What were you worrying about?

And then as I alluded to earlier, what does it even mean? And we’ll talk about that in this episode. What does it even mean to be spiritual? Because as I said in the intro, I know that many people who listen to my podcast would identify as spiritual. But yet on the flip side—and I know this because when I work with people inside TCP, I get to know them personally—they get to know me. And I see these massive amounts of worry. All these worries about money and just everything in life.

So a bit ago, I asked you, what does it mean to be spiritual? What I’ve noticed over the years is that most people confuse spirituality with dogma. And dogma is simply a belief system—a set of beliefs. The shaman that I worked with, I told him this observation maybe 20 years ago. I said, you know, everyone that works with you would identify as spiritual. But what I see people doing is they are also turning non-religious spirituality into dogma—meaning it’s these tenets of belief, these thought systems.

So many times we think when we are thinking spiritual things and when we identify with spirituality, we automatically assume we are spiritual. What I want to share is identifying with spirituality does not make you spiritual. It makes you someone that identifies with spirituality.

Now, in this episode also, I want to share when you get this—what I’m talking about—your life will become so much easier. Because again, I’m assuming most people that listen are looking for a higher experience of life, spirituality, spiritual cosmology, essence—maybe even defining it as God, source, whatever you want to call it.

But what I see is most people even make their spirituality dogmatic. I see spiritual people judging those in organized religion. But they’re not even recognizing they’ve made their spirituality into a dogma as well. Basically, they’re the same thing. They’re both dogma.

So spirituality is not about talk. It’s not about lip service. Spirituality is not about interest. Spirituality is about being.

People go to church on Sunday, and then Monday they’re back to being miserable or yelling or taking advantage of people. They can talk the talk, but they’re not living in the essence of spirit. They are spiritually interested, but not being spiritual.

So this is not an indictment. It’s not a judgment. It’s simply a call for self-introspection. Do you worry incessantly? Because that’s an action—but is it a spiritual way of being?

If you identify as truly spiritual, that is not compatible with fear and worry.

Now let’s bring this into practical application—trust and surrender. If you are worried about anything, you are trying to control something. Think about that. If you are worried, you are trying to control something.

If you truly knew the power of divine mind, would you worry? If you truly knew you are the ultimate power in the universe, would you need to worry? You wouldn’t.

Make a note of this: if you’re worried, you are trying to control something.

Where your emotions are is where your attention is. And where your attention is is how you are being. Look at the last 24 hours—how much did you worry? How much fear, anger, or control did you experience? These are all ways of being.

If you have any worry whatsoever, then you are not being one with the ultimate power in the universe.

Most of us think, “I am a being that has consciousness.” But the truth is consciousness has you. It was here before you, it’s here now, and it will be here after you.

You are like a wave in the ocean. The wave is not separate from the ocean—it is the ocean. You are part of the one of consciousness.

When you really get that, you realize there is no need to worry.

When you worry, what you’re effectively saying is: “Universal mind is not sufficient to create what I want.” You’re saying you have to create everything from your own physical effort. There is no trust. There is no surrender.

When you worry, you are disconnected from universal mind. You are creating from lack, not abundance.

Worry is always about the future. When you’re worrying, you’re not in the present. And the present is where universal mind exists.

Sit in silence. No phone, no distractions—even five minutes. In silence, you merge with presence, with divine mind.

You don’t have to keep telling the universe what you want. It already knows through your thoughts and emotions—your frequency.

Your transformational takeaway: be one with presence by recognizing you are already part of it—like the wave and the ocean.

When you stop trying to control everything and let the universe do its job, things begin to show up in your life more easily.

Give it a try. Practice it. Results will come.

Thanks for listening. I’ll catch you on another episode. Bye-bye. 

Mentioned Resources

The Seat of the Soul
Universal Human
The Kybalion

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