You’re listening to the transform your life from the inside out podcast. This episode is one in the longer series conversations with a sorcerer. And this title of this episode is living in zero point. Now, obviously if you’ve been listening for any amount of time, you know that I work with a shaman and I want to recapitulate another conversation again. And this conversation, I want to recapitulate a talk that we had back in about 2019.
 
And there are three main topics in this particular episode. There will probably be a second episode to follow up with this. Number one is why do people get sick? Number two, how emotions and frequency, literally how frequency travels. That’ll fascinate a lot of you guys. And finally, the lies that we live with for a lifetime. You’ll find as you’re listening and following along here that
 
One of the things that I’m talking about, if not all three, will apply to some aspect of your life, and there are ways that you can heal yourself when you actually start integrating what I’m sharing in this episode. Keep listening. Hi, I’m Jim Fortin, and you’re about to start transforming your life from the inside out with this podcast. I’m widely considered the leader in subconscious transformation, and I’ve coached super achievers all around the world for over 25 years.
 
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because you’re going to start learning how to master your mind and evolve your consciousness. And when you do that, anything you want then becomes possible for you. I’m glad you’re here. Okay, conversations with a sorcerer and living in zero point. I’ll talk about zero point in just a little bit, but for now, I want to start recapitulating a conversation that we had. And I said in the introduction, I believe this was 2019.
 
It was an evening with him. People that worked with him were also there, meeting other air-quarter apprentices. And generally when we get together with him, he’ll chat about a lot of different things. In this conversation, he went several different places. And as I mentioned before, many times he zigzags all over the place. And then when I’m putting these episodes together, because I have more context in many years with him,
 
I know where he’s going, generally speaking, when I’m listening to him or in conversation with him. But for you guys, I kind of have to like weave like a blanket. I’ve got our quilt and kind of got to weave a lot of this together. So we’ll hop around to different places in the episode with the predominant thoughts in this episode are number one illness. know, Don Javier has always said to me, there is no such thing as illness.
 
And then we look around, but why are so many people ill? And I even look at me back in 2020 and why was I ill? So we’re going to dig into that. Secondly, emotions and frequency. Now we’re going to go a little deep on that in this particular episode, or maybe not even a little deep, but I want to share some things that’ll probably be like, whoa, that’s mind blowing. And I’ve never thought about it in that way. We don’t think about our emotions and the
 
power of our emotions and how our emotions can actually hurt us and actually make us sick. Number three, I want to talk about and share with you part of the conversation, the lies that we live with for a lifetime. And then number four, a little more nebulous, but this was the point of the headline, zero point and living in zero point.
 
In this conversation also, I had to edit out some of the things that he shared because basically I don’t have his permission to share some of the things that he talked about. A lot of it I can share some of it. I don’t have permission, so I had to actually omit it from what I want to share with you. But again, what I was saying, hopefully I can weave it all together and it will make sense for you. OK, Don Javier in this conversation, he was saying why people ask him
 
Why do people get sick? And he says, people will say, why do people get sick Don Javier when you say there is no such thing as illness? Then he went to, well, people often ask me about emotions and feelings. And he said, when we’re talking about emotions, they are all about, meaning most people asking, most people are about everything is about me.
 
And you might’ve heard me say this before, meaning Jim speaking to you here at the podcast. But Don Javier was saying many people and all of their emotions are all about me, me, me. And many emotions are about uncertainty, fear, self-pity, anger, greediness, envy, and everything you can even think is what he was saying.
 
And he was talking about these negative emotions that so many people get into and especially fear. You know, living in the U S it is late 2024 in November. The United States presidential election is tomorrow. You look at all of the fear on both sides of the aisle that people get into and then look all around the world at all the fear that people get into. And then Don Javier went on in this conversation.
 
And he asked, what is that triggering? Meaning your negative emotions, your fears, your self pity, your anger, your arrogance. What is that triggering? He said your endocrine system, your immune system, your thymus, your thyroid, and actually your entire biological system. He goes into talking about anger. That’s what he talked about most in this conversation.
 
What I’m going to share with you when I heard it, I found it to be very fascinating and I’d never heard it. He’d never mentioned it that way before. But he said many times, I’ll take a little creative license here, but I’ll I’ll just use the inflection as he was sharing that night. He says many people say, well, yes, yes, yes, I was mad three days ago and I was mad yesterday, but I’m not mad anymore. He kind of giggled.
 
in a non-judgmental kind of way. And he said, yes, I understand that, but it’s not quite that way. Meaning quite that way, it’s not that you were mad yesterday and then you’re not mad today and everything is hunky-dory great. And that’s what he meant by it’s not quite that way. And he went on to say, quote, because when we’re talking about emotions and feelings,
 
We’re talking about a range of a hundred plus of them. A lot of people think we’re talking about 10 emotions like the few that I’d mentioned a little earlier. And he said, no, sir. The spectrum of what I’m talking about goes into more than 100 emotions. If you get mad and upset. Now here’s the part that I found mind blowing.
 
and fascinating and something that most of you listening have probably never thought about. And I’m sure many of you listening, as I have on my journey and I’m learning, many of you have been into your self pity, which has never been really a big one of mine, but mine used to be anger. You’ve been into your self pity. You’ve been into your anger. You’ve been into your resentments, your judgments, all these kinds of things. But he said, if you get mad and upset, which of course is an emotion,
 
that starts traveling and it goes into sound because emotions and feelings are sound. And because it is sound, it travels. Now, when I heard that, was like, you know, mind blown. I had never thought about my emotions traveling because it goes into sound. And then he says, quote, and then people say,
 
I was mad because of blank, but I’m not mad now. I’m not mad anymore. I forgot all of that. My comment here at this point in our conversation, meaning you and I is when we think about emotions being sound, initially, it doesn’t make any sense. I remember at least analytically and I’m not a scientist, so to speak, a physicist. Well, not so to speak at all. I’m not a physicist. And he said,
 
Everything is sound because everything is made up of vibrating particles and waves. And anyone who studies any physics knows that everything is a wave and a particle. My comment is, that emotions are vibrations and waves and the vibrations and waves are frequency and your emotions create your frequencies. And then quote, he went on to say, what are you thinking?
 
That is still with you. When you were mad three years ago, that is still with you. How about that? When I heard that, I was like, my gosh, how about that? I wish I knew this before because the low grade angers that I used to get into about the degradation on the planet and people destroying it and et cetera, were things that caused anger for me. It doesn’t any longer, it’s all a process.
 
But then when he said, so how are you going to clean that up? So he went into what is the problem that is going to create, meaning all the negativity and emotions, all the fear, all the self-pity, all the anger, all the resentment, all the jealousy, all these negative emotions. So back to the last thing he said is what is the problem that is going to create? It is affecting you.
 
Electromagnetically, it is affecting your resonance. It’s affecting your everything. Now, I know if you’re anything like me, until I learned this, you never thought about it. You simply thought I’m pissed off about XYZ today. I can’t believe they did this. I can’t believe they did that. What was my mother thinking? What were my kids thinking? What’s my husband doing? What’s my wife doing? Why did my brother do that?
 
How come they’re always doing construction on my road or whatever it is. And we don’t think about that anger. We think about it in the moment, but we don’t think about how it’s going to affect us, electro magnetically. And to go back here, as I said, Don Javier was saying, it’s affecting your resonance. It’s affecting your everything. And just because we can’t see it with our physical eyes, we don’t think about it. But
 
As I may have already said, if I haven’t, I’ll repeat. What kind of negative emotions do you get into? I see people carrying anger for years and years and years at family members and different things. I’ve got a friend that I limit my exposure to that she still complains about American politics and she’s angry about it. And
 
My thought is, what’s the anger going to solve? It’s going to solve. And I limit my exposure as I said, what’s the anger going to solve? It solves absolutely nothing, but it affects the person. And then Don Javier went on to say, and you’re gonna get ill. You’re going to get affected. You’re going to lose what you have. Now, my interpretation of that was, because I didn’t ask in that conversation with him,
 
But my interpretation of what he meant was, is you’re going to digress in your own personal evolution and your growth. It’s kind of like you’re, you know, you’re going uphill and you’re growing spiritually. And then you get into your angers and your resentments and your fears and your ego. And then you kind of start sliding back down the hill again. Now we’re going to hop around a little bit starting in a moment, but he was basically mimicking a person saying,
 
Some people, say things like, so things are going great for me. So I’m happy now. Then he said, many people, when they’re happy, they get very cocky and they get very arrogant because things are going so well for them. He said, these people without recognizing it, they’re fooling themselves because they are the biggest liar that can be. Now here’s where we’re hopping around a little bit and I’ll do my best to tie it all together. And he said, so
 
It is the plus. It is the plus. It is the minus. It is the zero point. He went on to say, since you guys have known me, there’s a group of about six of us that have worked with him from day ones, which was 1996. And he said, since you guys have known me, I’ve been living in zero point and I am in the giving. And he said, people take advantage of me big time.
 
and I continue giving and that is in the plus. I’m a human being. I’m a human person. I am just a simple man. I’m humble and I have to keep it that way. And if I don’t do that, I will lose what I carry with me. When he said that he would lose what he carries with him, my interpretation of that, and I feel like I’m pretty accurate about this, but being around him so long is that
 
All the growth, he was working with a shaman when he was a little boy, all the growth that he’s created, if he gets into arrogance or any of that, because he helped so many people all around the world, that’s the plus. And the minus is people take and take and take, many people take and they, I’ve even seen this. People have taken what he’s given them information wise and they’ve made millions of dollars.
 
And there’s no reciprocity back to him. There’s no I-N-E back to him. I’ve never seen him not one time ever complain about that. Nothing, not even mentioning it. And that’s the minus part. His point, living in zero point, is I live right in the middle, like what I call, Jim speaking, the razor’s edge. I live on the razor’s edge and I have to balance.
 
both the doing and the not doing, the plus and the minus. Talking about humbleness, my personal note here is I’m still working on it and what it means. For me, humbleness, you know, many people are saying, be humble, be humble, be humble. Not to me, but I mean, I’ve never really had anybody say that. I’ve had people say I’m arrogant. But here’s the thing. To me, humbleness is not thinking less of yourself.
 
but it’s about thinking less about yourself. Ponder that. Now I’ll go back to the earlier part of the conversation where many people are into, pour me, pour me, my anger, my anger, my this, my that, my envy, my greed, my, my resentments, all these kinds of things. And that’s all thinking about yourself, which is not humbleness. Pretty powerful when you think about it that way.
 
And Don Javier said, he goes, I always find myself at zero point. If I had to just boil it down to one sentence, zero point. And my observation would be, and this is a beast for most of us, most of us, many of us hadn’t even started the journey being in that place of unconditional love. But Don Javier said, I always find myself at zero point. And if I don’t find myself there, I would be dead many years ago.
 
He went on in the conversation and I won’t recount what was said. There was one time that I was seeing him literally dying physically after a sacred journey to a power spot on the planet. And that’s just us witnessing that. I think that’s what he was sharing, that if I wasn’t living in zero point, meaning him, that would be happening to me again. Now, in this conversation, working with him, he’s all love. He’s pure heart all the time. But
 
He will crack the whip and I want to share that with you here. Now he’s never firm about it. He’s never harsh. He’s never mean about it. He’s never pointed. He’s never really, generally speaking, never direct, never directed any one person. He does it very gently, but he will not hesitate to share very candidly. He said for all of you and the only people in the room were people that have been working with him anywhere from one year.
 
to those of us at that point that had been with him probably 22 years. And he said, for all of you that have been with me since the beginning, and then you go right back into your old bologna’s, meaning your emotions, negative emotions and your stories. And the reason that I share that here on the podcast is even people that are on the path, no matter where you are on the path, no matter where I am on the path, no matter where Don Javier is on the path.
 
no matter where another shaman is on the path, we are all on the path. What he was trying to get home is the longer we’re on the path, the more responsible, I’m gonna use the word we should become, and we should drop the old balonies. Now when he said the old balonies, what he meant was, old nonsensical, poor me, poor me, and my stories, and…
 
I’m so bad and people don’t like me and I need people’s approval and all these kinds of things that we get into that make us feel bad. We all have our things. This is not one of mine. I’ll talk about it a little bit later on in this episode or the next that I just don’t need people as approval. Now I used to prior to something that happened of Don Havir, but so many people will work so hard to get the approval from other people. And then when they don’t get other people to approve of them,
 
They feel bad because they didn’t get the approval from other people and they get into their self pity and everything else when it’s not even about them and they have no idea why they didn’t get the approval they wanted. So I’m sharing this because there’s so many places we can dig in here that I’m requesting you look at maybe ways this could apply to you. Maybe you said something to your mom and dad and they weren’t happy about it. And I don’t care how old you are 30s, 40s, 50s. I see it all the time.
 
You say something to your parents, trying to set your boundaries. They’re not happy about it. And then you feel bad because they’re not happy about something. That makes no sense. But that’s you getting into what Don Javier would call your old, the phrase, your old bologna’s. I’m just going to call it my phrase. You’re bullshit. Stay out of it already. But we love, we love, I’ve been there. Not so much at this point in my life, but I’ve been there.
 
We love to bathe in our nonsense. It’s kind of like you’re in a bathtub with that scrub brush and you’re just scrubbing yourself and bathing yourself and splashing water around with your negative emotions. But we don’t even know it’s toxicity that we’re rolling around in or splashing around in. And he went on to say, and this is where he cracked the whip a little bit, and he said, how in the world, after you hear what I say to you, and I am not OMG Almighty,
 
But you have to understand that you come with no lies. Now that last part of the sentence doesn’t really tie into the first in my mind, but I know what he was saying and I’ll share that. But what he was referencing that to is even those that work with him, how come you hear him talking to you? And by the way, as you know, running a transformational coaching program, I see it all the time. I’ll coach somebody out of something, somebody pretty, something pretty significant or my coaches will.
 
Two days later, they turn around and they’re right back into their crap again. And he said, these are the old stories and the old emotions. And his sharing has always been, once you hear these things, even with what I’m sharing with you now, and he said this to those that work with him, once you hear these things, my responsibility is done. I’ve given it to you. Now it’s your responsibility to take it, to find your role in it, to use it.
 
to heal, grow. It’s not my responsibility what you do with it. But the old baloneness he was talking about there to move on here was we often hear things like many of you do on the podcast. I can’t tell you the amount of people who have said something on the podcast. Adults make this up, but I’ll say something like everything is choice. And then when I’m coaching people, they’ll say, thank you for reminding me about that. I forgot it. So they heard it and then they forget it.
 
And then something he said one time many years ago, not related to this podcast. When we forget things now again, to cover my bases, because somebody will give me flack for this. When we forget things, it’s a choice to cover my bases. What I meant is of course people have dementia and it’s not a choice. They forget something. Of course people have Alzheimer’s, but when we hear something that can change our life and then we hear it, we’re like, wow.
 
That’s powerful. Two days later, we’re right back in the world stuff again. It was our choice to literally forget it. Now, I went in a couple of minutes ago to lies when he said, you come with no lies and then you start growing up. But it’s a little baby. You live with no lies. You’re listening right now. Think about that.
 
And then you start growing up. But as a little baby, you live with no lies. I’m going to stop this episode here. There’s not going to be a transformational takeaway in this episode because I want to pick up with that thought right there that, and this will give you time to think about it, which is intentionally why I’m stopping here. Your homework, so to speak, before the next episode, think about what
 
Lies that you’re living right now you’re living your life and a particular dogma and a particular way and a particular belief about yourself Not even recognizing that you came to the planet with no lies and you’ve been living 30 40 50 years with beliefs about yourself that are lies
 
So ponder that until our next episode. Thanks for listening and I’ll catch you over on a continuation of this episode. Bye bye.