You're listening to episode number 42 of the transform your life from the inside out podcast. Now, like a couple of weeks ago, I did, obviously a Transformational Story in the podcast. And I'm going to do another one. And this is really an amazing, amazing story to me, and one that I think you're going to enjoy because I talked to Katie, a former student, and I talked to her about how she actually used the power of her mind, to heal herself from being on a few medications, and to literally heal herself to free herself from anxiety, depression, and panic attacks. So if you're in any way concerned about health and wellness, or you want to stay well for the rest of your life, make sure that you listen. Jim Hi, I'm Jim Fortin, and you're about to start Transforming Your Life. from the Inside Out with this podcast. I'm widely considered a leader in subconscious transformation. And I've coached super achievers all around the world for over 25 years. Here, you're going to find no rah rah motivation and no hype. Because this podcast is a combination of brain science, transformational psychology, and ancient wisdom all rolled into one to take your life to levels you've never thought possible. If you're wanting a lot more in life, to feel better, to heal, to have peace of mind, to feel powerful and alive, and to bring more abundance and prosperity into your life, then this podcast is for you. Because you're going to start learning how to master your mind and evolve your consciousness. And when you do that, anything you want then becomes possible for you. I'm glad you're here.
Okay, so before I visit with Katie, and I go into her amazing story, I need to clean something up here. And the last episode, you know how I finish every episode and I said, you know, you know, here's what the next episode is about. I said that Katie was on six medications. And I was incorrect. And I apologize for that. Katie actually told me that she was on two medications. As I said, I misunderstood. She was on two medications. And she also was suffering severely from anxiety, depression, and panic attacks. So even though it wasn't six medications, and it was two with the anxiety, depression and panic attacks, her story I think you're going to find is amazing. So enjoy my interview and my conversation with her. Jim Okay, so today we're visiting in our transformational story we're visiting with Katie. And Katie, actually, and by the way, Katie, this is not a gratuitous promo for TCP transformational coaching program, what I'm doing with people in this podcast, as I'm sharing stories about people that have actually learned new ways to be new ways to use their mind new ways to affect their body, real life stories of people that have actually shifted their life significantly by acquiring more mental skills. So that's the foundation for what we're going to talk about today. So Katie, let me let me actually share with everyone listening is that Katie went from how many medication today were you on when we met?
Katie So I was on I just stopped my antidepressants right before we met, I've been on those for several months, and I was current I was on my thyroid medication, I have had very low thyroid for most of my 20s for over seven years. And then I also was on my synthetic hormone medication, because I have very low hormone levels for you know, throughout my 20s as well, so very weirdly low levels for most of my life. Jim Okay, and let's do this. I just want to lay a frame right now. So what was your like your physical activity, like when we met, like going to the gym, any of that? Katie I was not going to gym at all, because I didn't, I was dealing with a lot of depression and anxiety at the time. I've had panic attacks for several years since high school. And I started TCP in March of 2018. And in 2017, I had to panic attacks the most I've ever had in a year. And so so with the anxiety and depression, anybody who deals with that, well, no, you just you're just not motivated. Like, I would just sit and work. And I wanted to sleep all the time. And I was trying to eat healthy, but it was, you know, all I could do I tried to work out but I couldn't get into a routine and a habit. I just had no energy. I was just I was just it was just very dark. It's very heavy.
Jim Okay, so everyone, there's, you know, already there are people saying I can relate to that I've had the anxiety, the panic, the depression, I've been on medication, etc. So we're going to dig into that in just a moment. Because I want to take it apart, because I want to talk to you about what strategies you used to get where you are today. And let's go there. Where are you today, relative to where you were March 2018. Katie Um, it's just a totally different life. Now, Jim, I am no longer on any medication for my hormones, or my thyroid. My bloodwork shows, all all normal levels, for everything. So my doctors were like, you know, this is crazy, like, what are you doing? So I went off all the medication, I have had one panic attack in the last 18 months. And I go to the gym all the time I walk, I love to be active, I'm in workout clothes right now. Because I just, it's there's joy in moving my body again, I moved from a very, very critical mindset about my body for a long time, as many women deal with I had a lot of, you know, body negativity issues. And so moving into a place mentally of just kind of loving how I looked and who I am, that made me want to go to the gym and, and have energy. And it just kind of is this awesome, you know, thing that gets rolling, and I just, it's it's great now, so I it's it's crazy to be off the medication, but the level of energy I have, and you know, my mental health is so much better. It's just a whole different life. It's a whole different world.
Jim Okay, so it's awesome. And I do want to say, just to cover my butt, is I'm not a licensed physician, I have never told you to go off medication,right? Katie No, no, and I can add some context there. So I went off of those medications under the supervision of three different doctors. So my doctor, my natural path and and other specialists. I mean, if you've been on hormone meds, you cannot just quit that, you know, in a day. And so that was a very slow taper as you know. And you know, again, it was very, it was awesome, because it was like, we're looking at everything. You know what I was eating my energy, it was all, it was all under, you know, team supervision. So you've never said that. It's not something I say either. Jim Yeah, so let me let me add here, what you're really saying is that you completely affected your health by doing what, how, let's, let's take this apart. Katie So you introduced me to self hypnosis and to hypnosis, for healing. And so I, it started with, with my shift in mental health. So going with going through the TCP homework, the way that you set it up, and the way that you do your coaching, I learned strategies from TCP that made me stop getting into the anxiety. Jim Let's stop there. So people are listening, you're like, Well, okay, what's your strategy? So let's take a strategy. What do you think the number one strategy that you learned early on? And then how have you applied that? And then we'll keep on going?
Katie So for me, the biggest one would be the choice versus reaction week, you have a whole module on this you a whole week on this for your students? And I realized that I yes, I had chemical imbalances, right. I had bloodwork that was crazy wrong in every direction. And yes, I had diagnose issues with depression and anxiety. But I realized in that week, Jim, that I had choice and how I reacted to things in my life. And that lesson is, so then I would use, so that the strategy that that I would use, Jim Let's back up, let's back up. Yeah.Let's back up. So what choices were you making? Before you came to that epiphany? Like, Oh, my gosh, I do have choice about whether I react to the world or respond. What choices were you making? Prior that were keeping you ill? Katie Oh, boy, now it's now it's getting personal. Jim And now we can keep we can keep it not so personal, but just an example? Katie Yeah, no, I realized that I was when, when people in my life, my family members, people at work would trigger me, Jim Okay, Katie I was, I was just reacting, I would get angry, I would get upset, I would get depressed. And I was just in complete reaction mode. So the other the other strategy, you know, you asked me to pick one, but it's, you know, it's everything was taking responsibility. So the weekend, TCP on responsibility also changed my life, because I realized I could be responsible for my choices, instead of reacting. And that's what I was doing. So when I would get in an argument with my husband, with my family members, with with my boss, at work, I was always in this constant reaction mode, and I would go into it would make me anxious, and then I would not set boundaries. And I would just be kind of rolling along. And I'd be, I'd be a agree. And then not communicating that I was anger that I needed boundaries, and then blaming everybody around me when they didn't know that I needed boundaries, right? It was this whole victim mentality. And the choice versus reaction week, I thought, you know what I can choose little steps to not get as worked out. I mean, if you've had a panic attack, they're not fun. It's an out of body experience.
Jim Yeah. Yeah. years ago, when I was in college, I get that. Katie Yeah, yeah. So but there's steps that lead up to that, where you can choose and go, Oh, my God, if I hadn't done this, this and this, I wouldn't have been there. Jim Yeah. So let's take this apart. And by the way, I'm being more solid, because I'm thinking through this as we're as we're talking here for people, because things that you're saying, I know a lot of people can relate to, even if they haven't been on meds and antidepressants, or etc. But what you're saying is that you were completely living well, not completely. to a large degree, you were living your life emotionally reactive to the world around you. And it wasn't that it wasn't positive. Katie Correct. Yeah. I, I was very reacted. And I was I was I didn't realize it in TCP. If, you had said that I was a victim before TCP. I said, I'm not I I, like read books on growth. And I'm, I thought I was a growth or I mean, I was seeking, I was looking for growth all the time. Yeah. And so if you could call me a victim, I would have said no, no. But that week on responsibility, I was addicted, because I was blaming everybody else for for, for all of my stuff. And, and just completely reacting to the stress. And then you just get into the mode of you know, okay, I'm angry, or I'm going to have an extra glass of wine with dinner or an extra cocktail. And that's the worst thing for anxiety and depression is that, you know, like emotionally suit with food or alcohol, or, you know, whatever it is. And that's what I was doing. And it didn't, I didn't realize it until TCP.
Jim Yeah, and that's the thing is, most people don't have awareness. And especially when we do that week, and I use the V word, a lot of people actually get angry about that. I'm not, don't tell me, I'm a victim, I'm not a victim. And you're raising your hand, because we're doing video Also, and I've been there before many years ago, is that many times we are victims. But no one ever recognizes there being a victim. And we are victims. Anytime that we are we're judging, we're complaining or criticizing or dealing, it's not my fault. You're the one who did this. It's not my fault that I'm here. I would be somewhere else if I had, you know, if I could make a choice, etc, etc. Or it's, you know, you did it, it's not me. And if you'll stop doing that, I'll stop getting mad. Katie That was so where I was at, if I was mad at work, it was their fault. If I was mad at my husband, it was his fault. He's listening to this. I was mad because of you know, family stress, or my in laws or whatever. It was their fault, when in reality, I wasn't. I wasn't communicating. I wasn't being honest. And I would make up boundaries in my head like, I remember going okay, well, this is a line that that should not be crossed. But then I wouldn't tell anybody. I wouldn't enforce that boundary. So when it was crossed, I wouldn't do anything. And then I would spit out into anxiety,
Jim Anger. Katie Yeah. Anger. Yeah. And it was just this constant loop. And for years, you know, as you know, I've done therapy. I've done four things over the years. And even for my health, I've seen like alternative doctors. I was like, I was always in that mode of seeking and looking for what would fix me. And it was right there all along. Jim Yeah, let me let me add there for everyone listening or something I heard years ago. And I find it to be extremely profound. And you're demonstrating this, and you're helping a lot of people by demonstrating it is that healthy mind? healthy body? Katie Yeah, and if I can add there, the other thing is, you asked me at the beginning, and hopefully I'm answering your questions, you know, in a way, that's okay. Good. Yeah. Because you asked me about the strategy. So yes, there was a strategies about responsibility. And choice versus reaction, which any TCP alumni will tell you. Those are, those are core weeks. The other strategy that I use, other than the actual tools you gave me, which which were the hypnosis, which we can talk about. It was it was a strategy of labeling myself. So.... Jim So I understand that make sure you that you're using a positive strategy of labeling yourself with a positive story, as opposed to a counterproductive strategy. negative outcome? Katie Yes. Jim Okay. Katie Because there's also the week on stories in TCP as well, um, I feel like I know the homework well, so that that week on stories, I realized that so I'll give you an example. I had always labeled myself as a sick person, have the kind of hormonal issues I had. And again, I mean, I don't mind sharing, I had like menopausal level hormones at 22 years old. And so when you have that, whenever you go into doctors, they're like, Okay, well, this is a problem. And like, it's great that you're managing it, but it's like that language of this is a problem, you're probably always going to have this. You want to have children, you know, we need to do some testing. If you want to be healthier, get off medication, no, which you know, I've had doctors tell me to, you know, increase medication go off of the natural hormone, thyroid meds, so I was on synthetic for a while, all of that. So I took all of that on. And I was like, I'm a woman that has thyroid hormone issues. And I'm a woman that is sick. I'm ill.
Jim Yeah, let's go there for a second. So that's what I call a contextual belief is, is that's like an overriding framework, belief, I'm a sick person. Because then anything you think, will fall within the context of I'm a sick person. Therefore, I can't work out because I'm a safe person, I can't grow my business, because I'm a sick person. There's no way I can go hiking, because I'm a sick person, I can't feel good because I'm a sick person, and not for you. But other people, I can't be in a relationship because I'm a sick person. So notice those two words, sick person, where a context and everything else in your life fell in that context. And let me keep going here for all of you listening. What you want to look at is what context Are you working from? Let me go somewhere else here for a second Katie. And I don't know if you said this. But I had a client one time as a man, and he's about 100 pounds overweight. And his contextual belief was no matter what I do, I cannot lose weight. Hang on here. I know you want to answer that. But for people listening, if you're contextual belief, which means your framework belief is no matter what I do, I cannot lose weight, you have already predisposed everything you do to fail. So if you have the belief, and this is one of many, I can't make
money on the matter what I do, I can't lose weight, I can't find love, whatever that contextual belief is. So his contextual belief, which I had to bust with him, and coaching is no matter what I do, I can't lose weight. And that's why he hired a trainer, he hired a nutritionist, he did all these things. And he could never lose weight. Because like, the grandfather belief on top of that was no matter what I do, nothing works. So he predisposed himself that nothing's going to work. Now, I don't know, we haven't shared Did you have any experience with that same kind of contextual belief? Katie Oh, yes. So I had that one, as well. And, and I also had the belief that, that no matter what I did, I, I had an unattractive body. I'm not saying that to, you know, get compliments everything. That's not I for years, I would go to the gym, because I hated how I looked. And so, you know, when I started TCP, that was, you know, not a great time. But of course, in the years prior, of course, you know, there were times when I'd work out and have, you know, more energy and then less energy, it was kind of thing, right? Even in those times when I was working out and going to the gym, it was because you know, I hated looking in the mirror. I hate in dance classes or group fitness classes, I would stand behind people to not see myself,
Jim let me let me add there for a second Katie is you know, I'm not a hypnotist anymore. But I was many years ago. And this will resonate with a lot of women listening is women will say, I won't go on vacation. Because I don't want to wear a bathing suit. I won't take family pictures, because I don't want to I don't want to look at myself on a picture. I won't buy new clothes, because I don't want to be reminded of what my weight is. So some of that probably resonates with you. Katie Oh my gosh, yes. And it it just I mean, none of it was real. And and so I had, you know, the weight belief, of course, too. And I have friends who have the same issues or very similar issues, you know, that I have had. And they're always like, Well, yeah, I'm going to the gym. But you know, because of this, you know, thyroid or hormones, it's, you know, it's, it's just going to be a struggle because of who I am or what I am or this thing that I have. And so that's just part of it. That's just like how we talk as women like, okay, yeah, I'm going to the gym, but I just had a baby, or I'm going to the gym and I, you know, I have PCs, or I have hormone issues, right, you know. And so it's this constant like we're going because we don't like how we look.
Jim Okay, yeah, no, yeah, I've heard a lot of that over the years being a hypnotist. So what we haven't gotten to yet is so you started that about your new strategy. But where do you go exactly mentally with a new strategy about shifting the stories? And by the way, take it all apart for people listening. I mean, like, it's like, if you've got something in front of you take all the pieces apart. So people listening can say, Okay, now I've got tools. Katie Okay,yeah. And so I'm trying to think back to when this first started. So it started with stories, it started with a homework assignment that you given TCP, I won't spoil it for anybody that's interested, okay. But we, it's very clear what your stories in your brain are, like, you really become clear of that chatter in your mind. And when I did that exercise, that's when I realized for the first time in my life, how every single thought was negative, about my body, about my health, about about me as a person. So the other string of thoughts that I had, we talked about body, Podcast Jim But hang on, if I'd asked you prior, if I said, Are you negative person? Katie No Podcast Jim You wouldn't be exactly Katie No. Cuz I mean, it sounds right now I wasn't I was a person that was always reading books on personal development, and I was sending books to my friends, and I was telling them to go watch, you know, this, this burn a brown YouTube channel, you know, and I was always who I was, I didn't get it. But the other thing that I was telling myself, so we talked about the body image and the health and just real quick, when you've dealt with depression and anxiety, and I'm just gonna be real here for a second.
Jim Yeah, Katie There are moments especially in panic attacks, when you're, it's an out of body experience. And I would rather be physically sick or I'd be really angry and it would be like, it'd be like watching somebody else. Jim Yeah, Katie You know, like literally sick or shaking or not being able to breathe. usually start wondering, like you start labeling yourself as you know, that word that we all shouldn't use as a crazy person. There are moments in darkness where you're sitting there like is this it? Is this who I am forever is this is this me because you know, you like you're watching yourself do this, and it's so deeply disturbing on like, a soul level. And I was labeling that too, like so when i when i when we did this exercise, I was seeing the negative body chatter, which I hadn't really ever noticed, even though it was constant, that you know, I'm always going to have these health issues and then there's these constant thoughts going through my brain of you know, you're never going to be good enough because you have this dark side you have this anxiety, you've got the shadow that's always gonna be with you. Because that's that's what people talk about depression, anxiety, like, it's always going to be there. Jim Yeah, let me add to give a counterexample for everyone. So Katie said this is where she went, but I had panic attacks and depression and anxiety in 1987. Or there abouts right on a college. But she I didn't go to me those stories. Like it's soul crushing, or this is Solar's what I never went to any of that, where I went to and by the way, guys, I actually air quote, cured myself without because I didn't have health insurance back then I was out of college as I was broke my first year of school. But I didn't go to the stories where I went to the where I went to, is there something wrong with me?
Katie Right, Jim But yeah, that's where I went is what's wrong with me. And then I can was very frustrating for me because I couldn't figure out and I couldn't afford to go see a psychologist, I had no health insurance had a low paying job out of college and texted economy was depressed, which is a whole different story, because I was buying into the story, which is all external, about the economy, being depressed, too hard to make money, and all that kind of stuff. So therefore, because I bought into the bigger story about the economy, then I didn't have health insurance, I couldn't see a psychologist. And the way that I got out of it is I learned that just haphazard one day is an actually I had a degree in psychology, you don't you don't learn this stuff. In college, you learn book stuff. But I had learned that I could breathe myself out of it. If I got into like a panic attack, the more I got into the panic attack, the deeper the panic, attack God and the harder that it got, and the longer it took to recover. But if I would just stop. And I would say that, which is called a pattern interrupt, and I would say to myself, wait, you're having a panic attack, it doesn't mean anything. Sit down and start breathing. And when I would do that, I would find that I wouldn't go into the full blown panic
attack. And when I started doing that, within a certain amount of time the panic attacks went away. So basically, what I was doing is training my brain or my unconscious mind was responding to me that you know what I can actually if I have a panic attack, which is brain based or unconscious, I can work myself out of it. But and, you know, I think a lot of people listening can probably relate because I would say a fair amount of people listening have anxiety or social anxiety, they might not have the full blown panic attacks or the anxiety or the depression, but to some degree, they have anxiety. So what I want to share with them, and then you can you can recapitulate here is that I didn't get a medication I didn't, I didn't do any of that. And something I want to say that may be controversial to some people, is that an anti anxiety medication truly worked, that everybody on anti anxiety medication would have no anxiety. When I have, you know, being a hypnotist for years, I see a lot of people that are used to that were all anti anxiety, anti depression medication that still had anxiety, and still were depressed. Let me add something else here to help people here. And then back to you, Katie, is that what I recognized is and I have no idea of your story here or your experience. So we'll see where this
goes. What I recognized is that I had this anxiety and depression because of unresolved unconscious, things going on in me. And until I actually resolved those unconscious issues that were coming up, I think being I don't think I know the anxiety and the depression where my unconscious mind way of saying you got a five alarm fire fire going on, unconsciously. And until you deal with that five alarm fire, we're going to keep giving you depression and anxiety. And when I started dealing with it, ah, it started going away. Now I don't know if this pertains to you. So is there anything that you can speak to? Katie Oh,yes. So the first thing I was thinking is that in my first round of TCP, somebody asked me, because I you know, again, I had these labels, constant labels, like we have. And somebody said, Well, have you ever thought about what gifts your anxiety and depression have given you? And I said, What No, like, these are dark. Like, I like their curses. I don't like them. But you know, I was just kind of perpetuating that story. Jim Hang on, before you go. And I don't mean interrupt. So people listening, I want to pull some stuff out of this. Katie Yep. Jim Notice to the notice the stories that you even had around the experiences. Katie Yeah, Jim these are, these are dark places, and all this kind of stuff. So you had stories, which actually made the actual experience even worse based upon the story you're holding?
Katie Yes. And those stories come from judgment from people who, you know, would find out that I had panic attacks or find out that I was on medication, right? It's all judgment, judgment, judgment. And it's just like you said, it's all external stuff. And I was letting those you'll create stories that were just making it worse. And so when I sat back and started with the stories that I that I realized I needed to change. I sat back and started going I'm healthy. My mind is well I would say that all the time I would sit and you can't I mean I'm we're on video but I would touch it touch my head, you know my mind as well my heart as well my soul as well, I would just start talking to my body, which might seem kind of funny, but I would talk to my heart and my brain and I would say we have you know, we're it's it's peaceful. It's peaceful. We're okay. And then just like what you said, the pattern Podcast Jim Hang on , remember that I taught? I don't know if you got it from me. But I told you early on talk to your body. Katie Yes, Yes. So and that's, that's another part of it too, is I would sit in it, you know, again, we're just getting real here. I would sit in the shower and put my hand on my thyroid, put my hand on my stomach and say you know my thyroid is healthy my hormones are healthy. My hormones are functioning at an optimal level my but I would just start doing that mixed with of course, the hypnosis tracks on healing. But I also what you were just talking about that really resonated with me was the pattern interrupt that I learned in TCP. And I don't know if people listening have you know, know about that yet, but your master thought formula was I would use to get out of those beginning stages of panic attacks. And that's what I think I mean, to have one panic attack in the last year and a half is crazy for me. And it was because I, when I was already feeling coming on, I would just sit or lay down and go through that. And that was a pattern interrupt cuz it was moving my attention.
Jim Well, the master thought formula is moving your attention, but it's also I am not the thoughts. I am the thinker of my thoughts. Katie And that let me just the way that that was phrase, Jim, it let me sort of stand up and kind of put my shoulders back, if that makes any sense and say, This is not me. Those dark things that I had felt followed me around since I was a kid teenager. I was like, these are not me anymore. These were never me. And it let me get and it was just enough detachments go oh my god. Oh my god. Emotional thinking about it. Jim Yeah. Yeah, so some notes here everyone listening is that you said? I don't know the right word. Did you say you had a calm mind or a peaceful mind? Katie Peaceful mind, I would say my mind is well, my heart as well my soul as well. And then it was then I go through and say peaceful. Jim Okay, so let's go back when I said earlier is we look at the word disease, which is dis - ease. So when you went from dis - ease mentally because I started with, and some people can dismiss this thinking, Oh, it's really that's, that's too simple. No, the body follows the mind. And if you have dis - ease in your mind, even something as simple as stress, where medicine is said that, I think 80% or 90%, I know it's at least 80% of illness comes from stress. Stress is nothing more than this ease and the mind. And it's nothing more than thought. Which right ahead.
Katie yeah, I was just gonna say that. It's that's what started my journey. So when I started working on the mental health aspect, and I had energy levels, to go to the gym, and then I was eating more food and eating healthier food and working out all the time, because I thought it was fun. And I hadn't been in the gym for probably a year after that point. Like, you know, again, I got in and out of that upright. But and then that's when my doctors said, Okay, well, what you're doing great. You're feeling great. Let's try to very slowly start off the I went off the hormone medication, because I've been on a synthetic hormones. And then we started that very slowly. And then I just got more and more energy as being as it went off, and then Jim Notice, I apologize for interrupting but we don't want to add there. But notice what happened is that when you were spiraling, counterproductive, Lee, you were spiraling counterproductively, when you're spiraling positively, you're spiraling positively. Right? Yeah. So what happens is you went from being counterproductive to neutral. Okay, let's turn this ship around. Katie Yeah, Jim Then you start feeling better. And as a result, to start feeling better, or thinking better, whichever comes first. For us, actually, we feel like we think All right, so you think better, you feel better, you feel better, you think better, you think better, you feel better, you do better, and it becomes a very, very positive cycle for you, which is literally moved you 180 degrees away from the direction you were going.
Katie Right. And that's it just continued. And I you just said it, you know the best way. Because you're either you're either going in momentum in a bad direction, or you're neutral, or you're spinning positively in the other direction there. That's where you're at. It's one of those places, and I was sick of going in kind of that negative direction. And once I realized how good it felt to go positively, I didn't want to stay neutral and tread water anymore. I was like, Okay, I'm going to keep doing it. I mean, no, because I mean, I, I was like, Okay, I jumped into, you know, learning about hypnosis for healing and, and all that. And then then we slowly, you know, because I was doing well off of the hormone medication, my doctors like, okay, let's, let's go off your thyroid meds. And it was just historic for me, because these are the same doctors that put me on the meds, Jim Yeah, Katie years ago, was about seven and a half years ago. And so they were the ones that were watching this happen. And they were like, this is awesome. This is this is great. So Jim Katie,they don't know, because doctors actually will say things like, Well, you know, all right, dear, you're going to have this for the rest of your life. Right? Katie Right. And they told me, yeah, you know, you're going to be on thyroid medication forever, it's going to go up and down. You know, your doses are going to go up and down. Every time you go up a dose or down or dose. That's all you're saying. It's a whole mental kind of spin out and the lower doses over the over the year, I didn't have any of those.
Jim So because you were using what shows where I want to go, you're using the power of your mind. So let's talk about something that a lot of people are afraid about. And it's, it's it's crazy that they're afraid about it. But hypnosis. Now, Katie Right. Jim Hypnosis was endorsed in 1958 by the American Medical Association. And they did subsequently change that endorsement because I don't know why they changed that I think they changed the criteria or whatever. However, this day and age, the American psychological, the American Psychiatric, the American Dental, the British medical associations, they all endorse the efficacy of self hypnosis, which we'll talk about what that is. And there is a podcast here, I don't know which episode it is number five or so about subconscious reprogramming. Harvard University, Stanford, Yale, Columbia, the Mayo Clinic, they all endorse through research, medical research and behavioral research, they endorse the efficacy of Self Hypnosis. A lot of people are afraid of that word hypnosis because they think that somebody can control them, which we'll talk about Katie is not true. And she's nodding her head. No, that's not true. Literally, why don't we just call it the power of the mind? So you use the power of your mind to heal yourself? Katie Yes, and I think that there's kind of a negative stigma to it. Because you know, movies and you know, stuff you see in circus tricks and all of that, it's not like that at all. I mean, I was using, you know, actual medical hypnosis tracks to do this. I've used it now for everything. I've used it for anxiety, for my anxiety, for my depression, for healing for, you know, energy. And there's so much research on it once I kind of was tipped down that road. And of course, you teach a lot about, you know, self hypnosis, which was my starting point.
Jim Yeah, Katie It changes you, I can't explain it, you just did a much better job of explaining it. But it changes you at this identity level that you can't really get to and talk therapy, because I have done. I've done a lot of that. And yet, it's been helpful. And it's always great to be aware of your stuff. But this got to stuff that I didn't even know was there. It's like a secret weapon. I can't really explain it. Jim Yeah, let me add there. And you know what the thing about this podcast is, you're going to get controversy, no matter what you do when you're out in the public, you know that, right? And the reality is, is I will have somebody send me an email, and I'm not bashing traditional talk therapy. One of my coaches, though, has a PhD in her. So she said this, not me. So if you want to send her some hate mail, send it to her, not me. But she said traditional talk therapy doesn't work. Now, something you said, Katie, which I agree with, is if you want to become more aware that it helps. However, I remember, you know, years ago, when I was doing hypnotherapy, a woman sat in my chair, and she goes, you know, Jim, I had been in therapy for 10 years. And I can tell you everything that's wrong with me diagnostically. But you know what, I don't feel any better. And until you deal with whatever it is emotional, or physical, or physiological or neurological, until you deal with that, unconsciously, the problem does not go away, which you've demonstrated so
Katie Right. And I think so. And that that was the main tool. So I started out using the self hypnosis which you teach and TCP and then move to, you know, researching, you know, hypnosis tracks, for medical, you know, stuff and so much research on it, there's so much research, there's so many different things that you can do that it's proven to work for others, it's not like you're just jumping into kind of a black hole, there's a lot of proven stuff out there. And then it was you know, in in, in TCP, we have the the our 90 day journals that we use for every round that we go with, and then it was journaling. So it was journaling those new stories until they were in, in print it. So it was every day going, you know, here's here's my new stories about my health, my identity, my mental health, me as a person, me as a wife, me as a partner, me at work, right, all these different things. And then it was, you know, the, the, the tools that we learned through the other weeks and TCP through the responsibility weeks, and the you know, choice versus reaction weeks, it was sort of that whole system combined. That's what started it. Jim Yeah, let me let me Katie doing it, as you know. Jim Yeah, no, absolutely. And let me add here for people listening is that there's also an element of identity that precedes everything that you did is you did the work. You did the work. And a lot of us don't want to do the work. And that's a matter of identity also, am I going to quit? Or am I going to give up? Am I going to take the easy way. And I don't know what your stories were as you were doing the work, but you did the work and completely in a matter of a year completely transformed your life specifically and end the program, which we're not pitching right now, I want everyone to understand that. But in the program, it's only 12 weeks long. And as Katie knows, a lot of people repeat multiple times, because it's like peeling back the layers of an onion, right. But what you did is you stayed in to work for you and you stayed consistent with it. And that's where we we reprogram the mind, long term for life. And that's where we develop the long term skill set is taking it and working with it, which is exactly what you did.
Katie Yeah. And I'm, it's, it's amazing to look at my life now versus then. Because that a piece of this as a small piece, but I didn't have my own business at the time. Now I do. That's a whole other thing that's changed. So it's like, everything's changed. And there were stories about that, too. Oh, I can't do this. I can't make money doing this. All of that, you know, none of that's real. And yeah, there were stories in the middle of it of Oh, gosh, this is hard. I don't want to do this some days, but it was just, you know, biting the bullet, being a big girl and doing the effing work. Jim Yeah. Katie And it still going, you know, and I'm saying a student and I still have goals, I still have goals with my health and my fitness and all of that. But it's, it's completely different when you when you're detach from those stories and attaching those thoughts, like, like we learned how to be Yeah. And then it's, you're not trapped by those definitions that other people have put on you or that you put on yourself that you're living in four years or decades that are like invisible chains that are just holding you back. It's like those are off now. So yeah, there's more. But it's completely different when you're doing it as a person without chains on. Jim Okay. Yeah, absolutely. So you freed yourself. So let me ask you this is are obviously a lot of women that follow the podcast and 80% of people who enroll in my program are women. What stories and you being a woman and hanging out with the girls and everything else? What stories What do you think the most prevalent counterproductive stories are that women tell themselves?
Katie We're not good enough. We're not beautiful enough. I have a lot of friends who are moms, I don't have children yet. But my mom friends are coming, questioning their ability to be good Moms. I'm on the outside going. You guys are amazing. And you're doing amazing, right? It's so easy when you're on the outside. So yeah, self worth, I'm not good enough. I'm stuff, the F word. Right? There's this whole thing about beauty that was and that was it. I didn't expect to work on TCP about beauty. And it's there been times when it's been embarrassing, even stayed out. And people are like, wow, that was a big deal for you. And I was like, Yeah, I mean, that was a huge deal for me. You know, you know more about that, because I've talked to you about it. But it's, I was expecting to work on that I came into work on business or health or whatever. Yeah. And so there were so many I uncovered the story of I'm ugly, I need to be better, or I have you know, I'm imperfect. So you know, everything around self worth and appearance, and then also things that we can't do it, or we can't ask for it. Right. And I think a lot of because you asked about women, and I'm saying I don't hear a lot of my guy friends with those same questions up, you know, should I ask for that raise? Should I start my own business? Should I charge for this? Because I didn't think I could charge for what I do in my business now a year ago.
Jim Yeah, let me add their men have the same amount of stories, but different stories. Katie Different stories.Yes completely Podcast Jim Can I be a good Father. Can I support my family? Are we going to make it? Oh, my gosh, everyone's my in laws are watching me. Can I pay my bills? Can I buy the new house? What about how am I going to put the kids through college? And I don't mean to be sexist. But you're you're right. Women's stories. A lot of times are about worth men stories a lot of times are about ability. Katie Yes. And thank you, because that was where I was going with that either. But yeah, that's it's just different stories. It's all stories, but different stories that I dealt with, and a lot of my friends deal with, and now they're just stories. They don't have to become chains. Jim I was going to ask you right there. So we'll wrap this up. And you've done hopefully people listening have said, You know what, I can see myself in Katie What is that? Somebody said, Katie, you've got Give me your biggest piece of advice. And this is not about the transformational coaching program. Let's take something you learned. What is your biggest piece of advice to help me today, Katie, that you use the transform you? And take your time? Seriously? Katie That's a great question. Um,can I give two? Because I can Jim Of course,yeah, absolutely.
Katie My first one would be this was the biggest thing for me.There's so many big things is hard. This is hard, Jim. I'm on the spot. And it's okay. No, that's a story. It's a story that its hurt. It's that you cannot control anything. So you can't, if you've done horrible things in the past, you cannot control. I mean, that's, that's what it is. So your past is what it is. And you can't control when things are done to you. And when bad things or bad situations happen to you. You cannot control that. You can control how you react. You can? Yes, yeah, you can choose to you can choose to react or respond in in a way that's healthy for you are in a way that's destructive. Jim That's powerful, because most of us go through life reacting to life. Which, which is what you were doing when we first started reacting to everything around you. And then because then victim mentality, because they did that. And my husband did this, and my mother did this. Well, then therefore I am angry. Let me add there for a second for people listening. I was watching this young couple of boyfriend and girlfriend, they were about 24 years old. And he said to her, he was angry. And I heard him say to her, he goes, don't get mad at me. Because I'm mad. You're the one who made me mad. And my thought was is you know what, he doesn't even understand that she didn't make him mad. She did what she did, he chose to interpret it the way that he interpreted it, which actually then allowed him to become mad. And then he blamed her. For him being mad. He had zero responsibility and his own emotions and its own feelings and his own thoughts. And then blamed her which is complete victim mentality. everyone listening, no one does anything to you in terms of your emotions, your are your thoughts, right? They do what they do you choose to interpret as you interpret, we must be 100% responsible for that, which Katie has become. Secondly, you said two things. That was one.
Katie So the second thing is, is just from my heart to anybody listening, and I don't know, you know, for everybody, it's not always like a physical issue with thinking that you're not attractive, or the you know, with the with the body, you know, issues that we have in our society, in our culture today for women or men. That's not just women, you know, that deal with that? Jim Mental? Yeah, Katie Yeah, exactly. So whether it's physical with your body, or whether it's about you as a person, like if your story includes divorce, or abuse, or infertility, or you know, whatever your story is, just understanding and knowing and accepting in your heart and really, really understanding that you are beautiful, just as you are. And you don't have to take on those things, forever. Those things, whether it's, you know, again, whether it's your your body image, or these things that have happened to me that you've done, that you don't have to live in those forever, there's, they don't have any power. And we spend a lot of our life thinking that they have power. And I just would say that people are just beautiful, beautiful humans trying to be humans. And I just want to say that. Jim Thank you very, very much. And yes, I agree. And I want to add there is that Katie, if you go back and you watch this, for your Listen, your biggest takeaway in our time together is that you have have, I'm going to use the word you have mastered your stories. listening to this, everyone listening, she said the word stories about 87,000 times, which is great, because guess what? No, she, she gets she fully gets that everything in her life is a story. And if she's not getting what she wants to health, the wealth, the money relationships, it doesn't have anything to do with the external world. It has to do with what stories are you telling yourself? I mean, you get an A plus plus for that. Everything comes to stories.
Katie Well, and the thing is, Jim, is that that what's cool is once you once you get away, all my god, I'm responsible for everything in my life, that's a week of adjustment in TCP, that's a week going, Oh my God, this was me the whole time. And moving out of that victim mentality, Jim Wait I'm going to interrupt you and I am interrupting for time also, is I want to clarify, I'm responsible for everything in my life, that does not mean we are responsible for every one in our life. Katie Correct. And that was a huge part of my journey as Jim anyone because I want to make sure. So if you have minor children, you are responsible for them. But what I mean is you're not responsible for the adults in your life. Katie Right Jim Ok Katie keep on going. Katie Yeah, that's so my point was that, once you realize that, that's kind of that weight sensitive, like oh, my gosh, I I'm in I'm this person, you know, I can be responsible, then back to the My favorite word, you get to write new stories. And there's just an empty notebook sitting in front of you to create whatever you want to create. And that goes back to that fear of control too. Because to me, you know, learning that I couldn't control things. That was part of my mental health journey, and my physical journey, but also with my business. If people are out there, you know, doing things in the world with their company and your business and changing the world and somebody rejects you. You can't control that, but move on. Like, just keep going. And don't cut the Story.
Jim Yeah, no, that's very good advice. And let me add there for people listening. Some people might say, well, aren't you controlling your health? No, you're making choices about what you choose to think which will affect what you feel. You're making choices about your health, but you're not controlling your health. Right. I'll be very clear about that distinction. All right. Anything else you want to add? Katie Just thank you. Podcast Jim It's absolute pleasure. Absolute pleasure. And thank you so much, Katie, for, for sharing this because I know that a lot of people listening Well, hopefully, they'll get from you. I mean, this is phenomenal. Hopefully they will get that wherever we are in life is a reflection of our stories. And if we want something else in life, we have to change our stories. And the way we change our stories is one of the ways is well conscious just being aware of your stories. But secondly, the unconscious reprogramming and reprogramming ourselves at a unconscious level. Katie, you're awesome. A big hug to you. And thank you so much. Katie Thanks, Jim. Jim Okay, bye, bye. Okay, so this wraps up my conversation with Katie. And I think it's obvious after listening to Katie, that you can heal yourself. I mean, this is ancient wisdom, and it's, you know, ancient wisdom, etc, for thousands of years. But even, you know, recent and current medical research proves that we can heal ourselves with the power of our mind. You know, many years ago, I heard Deepak Chopra literally say that the great that the greatest pharmacy in the world is right between your two ears. And working with my brother in law, the shaman for over 20 something years now, this is something that he talks about, extensively, literally the pharmacy of the mind. And he calls it the factory of mind, at any talks about how that every thought that we have creates a response in the cells in our body. So we have to be careful with toxicity and toxic thinking. Because quite literally, it's not just the thinking because we're an entire organism. And when we have toxic and negative thinking, and anger and resentment and jealousy, and all these counterproductive and negative emotions, that literally affects the health of our sales, actually not sales, as in sales, but sales as in sales in the body. Okay, you've also heard me say it in every episode that I'm doing, I'm starting a training on September the fourth. So please, whatever you do, mark the calendar. And we'll we'll release the date
here pretty quickly. But I'm going to do a three part training for you. And what I'm going to do is I'm going to put a framework to all these episodes that I've been bringing to you, I'm going to put a transformational framework together for you, and help you better understand and actually show you how you can start applying this for even quicker and better results in your life. Alright, the next episode, the next episode is on a concept that I actually, you know, I teach my transformational program. And there was a Harvard Business professor that did studies on this for a couple of years. And what he found is by by us actually, it's the characteristic and way of being, by us demonstrating this actually way of being this characteristic, this way of being, what he found was is that we can increase our productivity anywhere from one to 400% with no additional input from anything else. And he also said that this is one of the most overlooked characters, you know, characteristics and ways of being in business. But not only that, it's one of the most overlooked ways in your personal life. And this is what I tell people is that nothing meaning working out dieting, you know, achieving your goals, whatever, nothing is going to work, which when you listen to this episode, it'll be crystal clear to you. Nothing in your life is going to work until you embrace and you
embody this characteristic, and way of being. So that being said, I'll catch you on the next episode. Bye bye. Jim Thank you for listening to this entire podcast. If you're the kind of person who likes to help others, then share this with your friends and family. You know, if you found value, they will too. So please share via your social media channels. Also, if you have questions, I'm here to assist. You can email me questions to [email protected] And I may even use your question for a future podcast episode. Also, if you want transformational content like this daily, connect with me on Instagram, my Instagram name is @iamjimfortin. Finally, I do have a personal request. I believe that we're all here to help others and to grow and evolve ourselves. together. You and I, let's help more people. If you would, please leave a review on iTunes and a good one by the way. I'd be grateful and through your assistance together, we can transform more lives. Thanks for listening.