You’re listening to the Transform Your Life from the Inside Out podcast. This is a throwback episode to episode number 188, which was titled “Welcome into My World with a Shaman Sorcerer.”
You know, people have asked over the years and many people who listen to the podcast have asked about the work of Don Javier, what it looks like, everything from do you do psychedelics to do you meditate, you know, when you go on the power spots on the planet, what happens, etc. In this episode, I take an overview and share a bit about my experience of Don Javier over the years. I’ve worked with him for 30 years. A lot’s happened in 30 years, but I just want to share an overview of that experience of what it’s like to work with a shaman. Enjoy the episode.
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Okay, so as I alluded to in the introduction, I had recognized a couple of days ago that I’ve shared a lot, or to some degree, things about shamanism. And I’ve talked about shamanism, and I’ve said my brother in law is a shaman, a sorcerer, a Babalau, a Nawal, amongst other things. And I recognized that, you know what, I’ve never really told you guys anything about my journey. Now, I don’t know how I missed that, but I did. And in this episode, I want to share something that happened to me in 2001. And it pertains an experience with my brother in law, Don Javier.
But before I share that, let me back up here. I want to go back to 1996. This is when I was introduced to my brother in law, Don Javier. I won’t even go into the story right now because this episode might be a little long. I don’t know how long it’s going to be. But I don’t want to elongate it if it’s not necessary. Anyway, I was introduced to my brother in law in 1996. And about a year later, he said, “you know what? We’re going to Chichen Itza to do ceremony on the spring equinox.”
And I went on that trip. And what we started doing with him is every spring equinox, we would go somewhere in the world that was a power spot and then do ceremony in those places. And the extraordinary thing was, is that my family has been allowed into some extraordinarily powerful vortexes and power spots on the planet. I mean, we’ve been allowed inside Machu Picchu to do ceremony. And the day we had gone (and my family went, I didn’t go on that trip, which will partly tie into this) to the Great Pyramid, Cheops. My family did ceremony for two nights unsupervised inside the Great Pyramid and many other power places on the planet.
So I worked with my brother in law from 1996 and 97 and 98. And in late 98, I moved to New York City. Now, why I did it is I wanted to explore more in life. I wanted to explore myself, and I’d always been in love with the idea of moving to New York, and I knew that I was young. And I moved to New York City. Now, I continued doing what’s called candle work with him, which I’ll explain in just a bit. And I did candle work with him, but I didn’t go on a couple of sacred journeys.
So let me give you the recap here of what happened. Now, shamans work in non ordinary realities and other dimensions. And in my time with him, I have seen, I can’t even explain the amount of things that I have seen that are non ordinary, that are not of this 3D physical world. And I’ve seen things that you’re kind of like, “whoa, there’s no way I just saw that.” And I saw that. And “what am I seeing in front of me? And what does this mean? And what’s happening? And what am I experiencing?” This is all non ordinary reality.
And so let me go here. And if I hop around a little bit, it’s because I have not thought this through intentionally. I wanted it to come as original as I possibly could share it with you. Because I know I’ve noticed during the podcast, many of you things that I just say or take for granted, you find some kind of clue for you on your own journey, whatever that might be, wherever it might be, and however it might be relative to the content.
So I moved to New York City, but I continued to do candle work. And what happened was, is I put my candles, which were called seven day candles. You can see them in the Mexican stores or the Mexican markets. You know, basically for the, you know, like, for example, South American cultures and et cetera in Africa. They’re the tall candle and they’re cylindrical.
And my candle started breaking. Now, what you do when you work with Don Javier, he works with the elements: earth, wind, fire, and water. I mean, he’s a shaman. I mean, he works with the elements. And when you work with him, all of his work is not cerebral like this podcast here. It is literally dream time work and work in other dimensions, which is dream time, because dream time runs over nine dimensions. It runs through nine dimensions.
And so he connects, and I have many, many experiences of this. As a matter of fact, on a recent podcast, I told the episode where I was looking in the mirror, and I was screaming at him, but it was me, and I was saying, “I hate you, I hate you, I hate you.” That was in dream time. And when I need to see things or know things that I can’t see, I will simply text him. And this is our little code word. I’ll say, “hey, Don, can you help me with X, Y, Z? Can you satellite me the answer?” which means he’s going to bring me some awareness and dream time for whatever it is. Now, whether I capture it or I don’t, that’s entirely up to me and my ability.
So to keep this simple for now is he has you burn candles. Different color candles. And he always gives you assignments. And they come through my sister. She’s the one who passes them out, so to speak. And they’re different for every single person who works with him. And candles also are colors. And colors correspond to the chakras. And then the bowls have water in them. You put water between the candles with herbs and different things.
So anyway, let me fast forward here. And as I said, I’ve seen a lot of things that are non ordinary by doing this for 20 something years now. When I was in New York, my candles started breaking. And one day I’m like, “hey, Don, my candles are breaking.” And he started laughing because he has a really good sense of humor. And he says, “well, you better be glad it’s your candles and not you.” I kind of left it off and left it at that.
But I bought these cylinders. I went to Target or something in New York City. And I bought these cylinders to put my candles in so that if my candle broke, it wouldn’t be a fire hazard because I knew my roommate would freak out because in New York City, I mean, my apartment building was 150 years old. I mean, wood floors, wood and everything. And I knew that I couldn’t create a fire hazard. And my candles were breaking so much because of the energies that I’m like, “I’ve got to stop. I have to stop this because my roommate’s got to have a cow.”
So let me start the story here. And then I want to read something to you. So my candles were breaking. And I had a configuration and a triangle of three candles. And two of my candles had broken. And the cylinder, the glass part of the candle (which the candle had already burned through it for the most part, all that was left was a little bit of wax in the bottom of the candle). Now, what you do not do is you do not blow the candles out. You let them go out by themselves.
So what happened was, is one night when I was going to bed, is I had two candles that were literally pretty much done and they were broken. And my thought was, “this is dangerous. I’m going to put these out.” I kid you not when I tell you what I’m going to tell you. I blew the first one out and I blew down into a cylinder. You can see these cheap vases at Target. They’re like five bucks. You know, it’s probably 12 inches tall and maybe five inches in diameter, maybe six. So anyway, the candle was sitting in there and I leaned over and I blew in it and I blew the candle out, the first one.
And when I did, here’s where I kid you not: it relit. Yeah, it restarted. It went out and it restarted. And now these are not trick candles like birthday candles, okay? So the second one, I’m just… I thought, “okay, look, just Jim, just leave it, go to bed.” So I did. Now, normally, these would burn out maybe in 30 minutes, an hour, hour and a half. And I went to bed.
Next morning, my phone rang. And this is before cell phones and everything else. I believe this was 2001 before I had a cell phone. And my phone rang in my bedroom. Now, what I didn’t do is I did not open my eyes. I basically, I rolled over, picked up the receiver, looked, dropped it back down on the phone and didn’t answer. And I have a good sense of time. I mean, literally, or gauging what we call time. I mean, I can literally think “what time is it?” and I will literally be within two or three minutes when I look at my watch of the accurate time.
And so I went back to bed. And this was during, you know, the work week in the morning. I went back to bed. And about one minute later, two minutes later, the phone rang again. And I knew that it was early enough in the morning that no one’s going to be calling me unless it was a family emergency of some sort. And everyone was fine that I knew of. And I just, it was out of the ordinary that I’d be getting a call that early in the morning. And the bigger part of me was, “hell no, I’m not waking up. I’ve got an hour longer to sleep. I’m not going to wake up.”
When the third call came through, I rolled over, picked up the phone, and opened my eyes, and my room was covered. I mean covered in a thick gray smoke. My first thought was, “holy cow, if my roommate sees this,” which is why I got the vases in the first place, and obviously it made sense to get them. But I thought if he sees this… we had a three bedroom apartment. I was on one side of the apartment. He was on the other side. And he got up a little later than I did, I guess. I mean, I don’t know what time he got up every morning. I don’t remember. But I thought, “oh my gosh, if he sees this, this is not going to be good. He’s going to have a cow.”
Here’s where it gets a little crazy. And so what I did is I literally threw the sheets off. The covers hopped out of bed. And I quietly ran to the kitchen. And I grabbed a big glass of water. And I brought it back in my bedroom, shut the bedroom door. And I poured the water in the first candle. I think it was only one candle. There were only one left, yeah. And I poured water in it, expecting pouring water on fire. And there was literally no wax in the bottom of the candle. I expected it, obviously, to go out.
What happened was beyond mind blowing and shocking. When I poured the water in the candle, whoo, like a bazooka. And fire shot out of that glass canister like a flamethrower. And it shot literally four feet in the air. Yeah, seriously. And I’m like, “no effing way.” Now, mind you, I was in kind of minor panic and I ran back to the kitchen again and I grabbed another glass of water. Now, mind you, I was not analytically thinking. I mean, I just woke up, you know, a few minutes earlier and with what was happening, I wasn’t really processing and thinking analytically or rationally.
So the first time I poured water in it, boom, like a bazooka, like a flamethrower, all the way up a wall also. And it burned. They were all on my altar. And it burned pictures and everything that I had on the altar. Okay, so I come back with the second glass of water. And I pour it in the same container again. Pretty certain it’s going to, you know, whatever was still going on in that container was going to be extinguished. Boom. Again, fire shot up the wall. Explain that one to me.
So then what I did is I’m like, “okay.” So I opened my bedroom window. I lived on the sixth floor of (which I mentioned in this podcast before the last episode, I believe, Setting Your Intention) 170 West 73rd Street. So I opened my window. There was no screen on it. And I took the entire canister, which was hot, and I put it on my ledge. Now, the interesting thing was is that it started screaming. It had a screaming sound to it, like a hissing sound. And I put it on my ledge, and I knew it would go out, and it did pretty quickly.
Okay, so crazy, right? Well, I’ve experienced a lot of things like that over the years. Now, let me go to the next part of the story. So what I did that morning… called my sister at about 10 a.m., maybe 11 a.m. And my sister answered the phone. She saw it was me. She answered and said, “hey, what’s up?” And I heard… well, she said to me, she said, “hey, we had dinner with Peggy last night. She probably, maybe she’ll let you know you’re just calling to chat about dinner.”
And I heard my brother in law, Don Javier, in the background. And he said, “no, he’s calling to ask what happened to his candles.” Okay. And then he said, “tell him I will call him tonight.” Now he did call that night. And what I want to do is I want to read you (which I have never shared with anyone, anywhere, anytime). And I debated for days and I sat with it and got quiet with it. And “should I share this?”
He called me and I grabbed my pen and I have a journal. I have a lot of journals, but this journal has been all over the world with me, with him, power spots. And I wrote down as much as I could while he was talking to me. Now, what I want to do is I want to read you what I wrote verbatim. And the reason why I want to read it to you is because I think what I may say in here, that was not earth shattering in my opinion, there may be things in here that people are like, “hmm, that’s valuable.” I mean, that came from a sorcerer and a shaman.
Because most of us that follow my podcast, we’re spiritual. We’re what I call transformers. We know (and I mentioned this before) we know that we’re different, meaning we’ve always felt different our entire lives. And I’ve always been spiritual. When I was 15, I don’t know how I stumbled upon it. And this was back, I don’t know, 1979, 80, 81, thereabout. I stumbled upon the Rosicrucians, which is ancient wisdom. So it’s always pulled me. And I think people listening, I know that many of you are here for the life transformation, which literally comes—the reason I’m able to bring this to you and the way that I do—is because of my experiences with Don Javier. And then I look at how that has shaped me and how that has transformed me and then what I can impart to you.
Before I read to you, I got to tell you, just being fully transparent, I’m a rebel. And I was the one that for many years early on, I was the metaphorical arms crossed, doubting Thomas. “Show me, I don’t believe you. No, that doesn’t make sense. No, that’s not rational. No, that’s not logical. No way that can happen.” And that was me, Mr. Analysis, Mr. Analytical, Mr. 3D.
And in my time years prior to this, Don Javier had always said to me, people that work with him: “If you try to think your way and analyze and rationalize your way through life, you’re going to be lost.” And his mentor said to me years ago, when I first met Don Javier and I met his mentor, who is also a sorcerer, he called me Jaimito, which is James. And it’s a young James, like a little boy. And he was using that affectionately. And he said, “you think too much. When you think too much, you make yourself heavy. And when you’re heavy, you cannot fly.” What he meant by that is I couldn’t soar as the being that I am.
And we’re all, most of us listening (and if not, this is your first episode, again, get back to the very beginning) and you might think, “who is this Fruit Loop that I’m listening to? What kind of nonsense, psycho babble, blah, blah?” Well, listen if you want, don’t listen. It’s entirely up to you.
Let me read what I wrote. And if you hear any clumping, it’s because I’m putting some glasses on for those of you that are listening to the audio and grabbing my journal. And so here’s what I wrote. And this is verbatim. And if I stumble a little bit, it’s because I can’t read my own writing, but I read through all of it just a minute ago, and I can read most of it.
Okay, so around 12 (meaning 12 noon) I got a phone call from Don Javier, his usual self, laughing and smiling. He said, “what happened this morning, brother in law?” Of course, he knew what happened. He talked about in our time on this phone call. He talked about the realm of many dimensions. And then he said, “as I have no expectations, I did not know this would happen. This has happened to no one in the circle and no one out of the circle, only you.”
Now, caveat: when he says “circle,” he talks about people that are working with him. Because when I moved to New York, I didn’t know it, I had energetically left the working, the deeper, more profound connected work with him. Okay, let me go on here.
“We have been giving you messages for some time. However, you have ignored them. If you ignore this message, a stronger message will come. You will not die with the second message, though it will be very strong. This message this morning was done in a way that could not be rationalized with your mind. As you know, when you poured water on the candle, it ignited like fuel. This was done to wake you up. You have to go to Peru with me. And this is your wake up call. This wake up call has come from beyond me.”
“You came to this planet for a purpose. And your purpose has to do with other dimensions, other times, and other beings. This trip will be very powerful, and it will be a very powerful trip into other dimensions. You need to jump in the shower and take a long, hard shower to wash the crap out of your life. You need to get rid of the crap in your life. You’re very fortunate in that you have someone to help you understand your luminous body. There are not a lot of people on the planet that can help you do that.”
“You have much work to do. You need to allow yourself to see yourself and know yourself for the first time. You need to realize that life is not about your conveniences. Life is not about your ego and stupidities. You need to learn to have peace. That is the most important thing to you. With that, with peace, you can have it all. You need to find the essence of who you are. I knew it the first time I saw you and now you need to know it also.”
“You need to change everything in your life and especially your anger. Realize that tomorrow is not here and yesterday is gone. All that truly exists is now. Learn to live in the present. Put your attention back on your spiritual alignment and learn to know yourself. And when you know yourself, you will then be doing what you need to do with your life. And knowing yourself, that is like a flower. You need to let it bloom because that is a part of you.”
“Pay attention to your Nawal who is teaching you all that you know. What power! And you have chosen to ignore it in the past. If you choose the path of spiritual alignment and power, what you will get will be priceless. You cannot ignore what you will attract, and you cannot believe what you will attract if you move into spiritual alignment. I am a shaman. I am a sorcerer. I am a Nawal. Some people think that I’m a spiritual leader. Some people think that I am evil. It does not matter as I am what I am.”
“Don’t have expectations about what changes will be and how they will happen. In Peru, I will be in my silence and so should you. You need to find total freedom and total silence. Give up your old habits and stop hurting yourself. You were spiteful to yourself, and now you have choices. You can allow changes and have it all, or you can continue to live in the hell that you have created for yourself. What are you resisting? Everything is up to you. Abundance is up to you. For you to have spiritual alignment, that will equal everything for you.”
Now, what I did say is I walked around… Now, okay, I’m done reading. I walked around in a daze all day long. And he told me that night on the call, he said, “you were in a daze like you were shot because we touched your devil.” Which means for everyone listening: the devil is the energetic other you, the higher basically like soul energy, spiritual energy of your essence that we actually air quote, the body is a medium for that.
I share that with you. And like I said, I debated, which was left brain analytical. And I just sat with it tonight and I’m like, “okay, go ahead and do that episode.” And I shared that because what I just read, many of you listening will pull things out of that by observing me and all of my air quote “warts and all” for many years ago. Because I am not the same person I was by far, by light years, metaphorically speaking, that I was 20 something years ago.
But what I just read is what I bring to the podcast and the flavor. And that we as humans, we learn to live in ego and crap and self hate and self judgment and self belittling. And we learn all these toxic, toxic behaviors in the world that we live in. And we’re taught these things by the world and by our parents and by our family and our schools and our socialization. And it robs people of the greatest or the greater essence of who they are.
And when I say spirituality, that means different things to different people. You know, I am not talking about—let me be very clear here—I’m not talking about dogma, which can be an organized system of beliefs. When I talk about spirituality, a quote or a phrase that I coined (I did not even get this from my brother in law, just popped in my head one day) is that we’re not spiritual beings. Because many people over the years have learned the phrase, “we’re spiritual beings having a human experience.” The phraseology and the phrase that I use is that we’re cosmic beings having a human experience.
And I’ve woven that into different podcast episodes. And that we travel. There’s no such thing as past lives because we’re living one life energetically. We just live different incarnations of which also is reflection of what we’re learning on this planet or in 3D reality. We’re learning that life continuity and that we are a constant in the universe. Energy cannot die. But when we incarnate in the 3D so that we can have physical experience so that we can learn in this reality this kind of matter, then what happens is most of us, we detach from that higher essence, higher form. And then what a lot of us do is we try to reconnect it back through, let’s just say, organized means of dogma, things that were given from our parents and our grandparents. And we miss the true essence of who we are.
And no matter who or what you are, everyone has things. Everyone has stuff. I mean, heck, I mean, like I said, I’m not the person I was. And people often say to me, “you know, Jim, you know, do you consider yourself evolved?” And I say no, because where I can go compared to where I am is not even comprehensible when I look at the totality of me.
And that’s why I bring certain episodes to you guys, like episode number six, when I talk about living your highest potential. And you know, people run around saying, “live your highest potential, live your highest potential.” And for most people, that means being an air quote “success” in life and the business and the body and the homes and the cars, all things that are transient. I mean, you’re just experiencing those things when you’re in this lifetime.
I’m sitting here as I’m doing this episode. I don’t even know why I’m doing this episode, but I just know that I am for a reason, and I know that it just popped in my mind to do it, so we will see where it goes. But take what was said to me, because it doesn’t just pertain to me. It pertains to all of us. When we get into alignment with the higher essence of who we are, things we’ve not even dreamed possible, become possible for us. Because then we’re tapping into what I call divine mind. And we’re hearing divine mind. And we’re following divine mind. And that’s when we truly are harnessing the power of the universe.
Thanks for listening. And I’ll catch you on the next episode. Bye bye.