Introduction

Jim Fortin
You're listening to the Transform your Life from the Inside Out podcast. This episode is an interview. And it's the final one in the series that I've had this time of the year. I do it twice a year. And this interview is with one of my students, Dr. Katie Deming, she's an MD, and then oncologist. Now see how much of this resonates with you to some degree or another. Now, she said in our interview, and you'll hear that she was terrified every day. And then I said, terrified of what. And she said terrified of failure, terrified of not being safe, and not doing the right things. And then she said, You know what, I've created a habit of being in fear. So the main topic here is Fear. And I'm going to share with you recognize it or not, and in ways you don't even recognize Fear is the number one thing that holds you back. So if you'd like to hear more, keep listening.

Jim Fortin
Hi, I'm Jim Fortin, and you're about to start Transforming Your Life from the Inside Out with this podcast. I'm widely considered the leader in Subconscious Transformation. And I've coached super achievers all around the world for over 25 years. Here, you're going to find no rah rah motivation, and no hype. Because this podcast is a combination of Brain Science, Transformational Psychology, and Ancient Wisdom all rolled into one to take your life to levels you've never thought possible. If you're wanting a lot more in life, to feel better, to heal, to have peace of mind, to feel powerful and alive, and to bring more abundance and prosperity into your life. And this podcast is for you. Because you're going to start learning how to master your mind and evolve your consciousness. And when you do that, anything you want then becomes possible for you. I'm glad you're here.

From Being “Terrified Everyday” Into Being A Revolutionary Thinker

Jim Fortin
Okay, so today, I've got a special interview conversation for you guys. We're interviewing Dr. Katie, Deming. That's right, Katie. I just told me Yeah,

Katie Deming
That's right.

Jim Fortin
She's an Oncologist, and she's been with me for a while. I adore her. One of the things that I like about her is that Katie, and I need to talk to you like you're in the room, because you're right in front of me, you know, the computer is, and we'll get there with a lot of places we want to go. Is that even though you're in the Medical Profession, and your Oncologist, there's a part of you wanting to revolutionize the thought processes, and the medical field, and to get people thinking and much, much different ways. We might even go there today. But where I want to go today to start with for people listening is you've been with me in TCP now for what two rounds? I believe.

Katie Deming
That's right.

Jim Fortin
Okay, two rounds. And I said, What do you want to talk about today? And I said, well, somebody man, well talked about fear yesterday. And what's coming out, you know, last week in last week's episode, and you said, Well, I want you know, I had a lot of that. And I said, let's do that. And the reason why it's so many people are, fill in the blank. So many people are blank by fear. What's in

Katie Deming
Paralyzed,

Jim Fortin
Paralyzed. Okay, so let's go there, or however you want your story to unfold, let's go. What does that mean?

Katie Deming
Yeah, well, for me, is interesting, because I think most people who see me from the outside, and in fact, one of my very good friends, who's also an oncologist, I told her one day that I was terrified every day. And she's like, there is no way you are the bravest person I've ever met. And there's a difference right between being afraid and, and not acting and being afraid and still acting. So I was used to acting even though I was in fear, but fear was something that had been with me since I was a small child. And some of that just came from the environment that I was raised in, and that it became kind of my constant companion, being really afraid of failure, afraid of, you know, not being safe, afraid of, you know, not doing the right things. And so I had just gotten used to feeling afraid, all the time. I didn't let it stop me. I knew how to act despite the fear and keep moving. But it was something that was really holding me back before I came into TCP because I was constantly afraid. And it wasn't until I learned about Subconscious Reprogramming that I was really able to start to work through that and and honestly, working you know, doing Subconscious Reprogramming hypnosis around the fear was the biggest thing that changed That. But up until September of last year, every single day, all day long, I was afraid.

Jim Fortin
We'll take that apart, you've been around me long enough to know that I don't mean to interrupt, but there's so many juicy things that people, they just live it or they share it. But there's so many things I can pull out of that. So I want to back up here. There's a lot to unpack here. So your exact words were you were constantly afraid, every day. And then you also said you were terrified. Every day. I was terrified of what? Fill in the blank.

Katie Deming
I think failure was my biggest fear.

Jim Fortin
Okay.

Katie Deming
So or, or not being accepted not being good enough.

Jim Fortin
Okay. How does any of that play out though, going into your profession as a doctor?

Katie Deming
Why think it's interesting, because most people would think, well, how can a doctor who's doing this and now I've been practicing for 16 years, be afraid. And it wasn't a logical thing, right? It's, it's something that has just been with me that I was comfortable being afraid. And it sounds weird, because you're like, well, how can that be comfortable, but it was what I knew. And so it's, it's really where I lived. And, and so, yeah, it was really my constant companion.

Jim Fortin
So let's, let's break this down practically for people is give me a day. Now, most of us aren't Oncologist or MD's, or doctors or medical field, but give us a day. So you got to work? Are you physically feeling fear? When you're walking into work? Even though you've done it for 15 years? I'm just taking this apart even more?

Katie Deming
Yeah.

Jim Fortin
Are you like, Okay, I've got to go into work. Were you feeling like an anxious fear? were you feeling like a fear? Fear? Someone's gonna confront me?

Katie Deming
No, yeah. So no, that's a good question. So I would say like, with my patient care, going into patient's rooms, I obviously was not afraid of caring for my patients and taking care of them. But there were certain aspects that I would constantly have, as is, you know, bringing up fear for me. And one of them was like, if I had to present something at a tumor board, which is a meeting with all the other doctors, I always felt like, somehow I didn't know what I was talking about, even though I had all of this knowledge. Yeah, I, I've been doing this for 15 years, I'm an expert in my field, but I had this just feeling like, Oh my gosh, maybe someone's gonna figure out that I really don't know what's going on. And it was irrational, but it was there. And then I would say, also, I'm an entrepreneur. And in entrepreneurship is where this like, totally reared its head, because I really realized, Oh, my gosh, this is something that is underlying everything that I do. And it showed up, you know, kind of in full force in that realm. But I would say in my everyday life, as a doctor, it was less about like, what I was doing physically, like the taking care of patients, but it was more like with my colleagues and, you know, with, you know, thinking, gosh, do I know all the studies am I up to date on everything, there's so much to know all the time, and I think I've carried this insecurity. And so I always had this underlying like, you know, am I smart enough? Do I know enough? Do I you know, and there's always more right I'm in a field where actually almost breeds insecurity around not knowing enough because there's so much to know all the time and so much more to learn.

Jim Fortin
The thing is, is to me for on my throat is in your field. advancement is progressing so rapidly. There's no way any unless you're Doogie Howser, if you know who that is.

Katie Deming
Yeah.

Jim Fortin
Okay. There's no way that any doctor can keep up with the amount of information and research reports and everything else that's being poured into the world on a daily basis. Even my former, which I've seen this for a long time coming, my former Neurologist who's released me from care. When I only had I supposed to have like an appointment every month, I called him every three, four. I've talked to him three times and eight months. And my last call is like, you know, with Where are you how well you're doing, I'm releasing you from care. And even when I talk to him on some things, early on, like my second call, he was like, Well, I don't know the answer to that. He'd grab a book, and look it up and I'm like, wait, shouldn't he know? And then I thought, how can you keep up with everything, you know? So let me ask you, this for your for your sake. Is tell me one doctor that knows everything about everything in medicine?

Katie Deming
Nobody,

Jim Fortin
No one. So then how come you are holding yourself for what was causing you to hold yourself to a standard? Where you had to know everything, but it was okay for other people not to know everything.

Katie Deming
Yeah, no. And, and, and I think it really was that I was just in the habit of, of being that way, right. And then also there was an experience that I had early in my career that affected to the way that I felt in medicine. And that experience was when I was interviewing for Medical School, I, I knew I wanted to be an Oncologist coming into Medical School because of my experience working at hospice as an undergrad. And I had, you know, I interviewed I think at like, six schools, and none of the interviews were with an oncologist. And at one school, they put me with an oncologist, and I was so excited for this interview that, Oh, I'm going to meet with this man, and he's going to understand why I want to go into oncology. And what happened was, is that he asked me, he, you know, had seen on my personal statement, you want to go into Oncology. Tell me why. And I told him, I said, you know, the reason why I want to go into Oncology is I had this experience volunteering at hospice, taking care of people who are dying, and the lessons that I learned in the intimacy, of connecting with people who are facing a life threatening illness. And in particular, I took care of mostly people with cancer at this hospice, it just opened my eyes and changed my life that I want to spend the rest of my life with those people. And in that space of having that intimate connection, and I just want more of that. And he looked at me, and he said, that is not a good reason to become an Oncologist. If you want to be an Oncologist, and you want to go through 13 more years of training, you need to love the Science. And I remember, in that moment, just like a feeling like I couldn't be who I am. And I, you know, I left that interview, just tears streaming down my face. And I'm, and I walked out of there. And I said, I'm not saying that again. You know, I'm gonna pretend that I like the Science. And I had taken that to mean that I wasn't smart enough, I wasn't good enough. And the place that I was interviewing was Harvard. So clearly, I was smart enough, because they don't fight people to interview there. But I didn't know that at the time. And so that was like another piece that layered on top of this. So I went into medicine, and I don't love the Science. I can do the science. I can do all of it. But it's not why I do what I do. And so I think for years, I felt like somehow I really didn't fit in, you know, and maybe I wasn't couldn't

Jim Fortin
Let me go there for a minute Katie, there's something here to unpack a bigger picture that people listening, I've spent a year with you now they have not what that Doctor took away from you, as an expert at Harvard, what he took away from you. And this will hit you immediately. You'll understand what he took away from you is who you are, and why you came to the planet. Right? I mean, he because I know you today. And your passion is not the Mechanics of Medicine, your passion, which a lot of doctors are not they're their tech, their Technicians. They're Statisticians. They can, you know, decipher information. But they're not healers. You know, and you know that from the level you've worked at. So what he did is, you've had this because I want to go I want to go many places here. But what he did is those of you listening, she got emotional, because I know her and her whole heart is into the service of Humanity and helping people transition over and things we'll dig into some more. And this Doctor who was who she believed was an expert at Harvard, took away the essence of her beingness that drove you Is that accurate? Katie?

Katie Deming
Yes.

Jim Fortin
Okay, because I know you so let's go here because I want to jump around all over here but I want to kind of keep this cogent. everyone listening before Katie and I talked today. She said where's I'm making notes all over the place. She says something about being doing what I do as an ecologist when people you know are turning terminally ill, they, I made a quote here, figure it out. And I'm like, stop right there. Because I don't want to know what you're going to say, because I want this live, you and I talking. What's your observation of what people figure out when it's time for them to leave?

Katie Deming
Yeah. Well, that goes back to my experience of volunteering at hospice, when I was 20 years old. And, you know, what I saw there was that people who are dying, not all of them, but some people, when they're dying, they figure it out, they figure out with this lifetime is about. And that they, despite what pain, physical pain they're in, or emotional pain, or, you know, the kind of fear of ending this life, they figure out how to be happy how to be fulfilled in the moment. And that, like, really just drew me in because I was like, I want that. And I knew that that was possible, because I had seen it. And then, you know, throughout my career, I've been searching for that, you know, and, and I know it for myself

Jim Fortin
So pardon me for interjecting there. But your whole thing when we started was fear of when you were seeing these people that were transitioning, and they weren't having that. And then they probably were thinking, I want the peace and the joy that they have. How do they get that without leaving them? You know, leaving the planet, right?

Katie Deming
That's right.

Jim Fortin
So when you said that's what you wanted, that's what you wanted.

Katie Deming
That's right. I wanted that peace, that happiness, that fulfillment, regardless of what was happening in my external life. And I knew that it was possible. And then I've seen it now. I've been practicing for 16 years. And I know that it's possible for people who are facing cancer, you know, or the end of their life to figure it out. And what I didn't know was, could you do that short of having a terminal illness. And really, for TCP, you know, I didn't know anything about TCP. But I got an email about your money, the Money Masterclass, and I signed up for it. And as soon as you said, TCP, I knew in a second, I had to do it. I didn't know anything about it. I didn't know how much it costs, I didn't know how long it was going to be. I just knew intuitively that I had to be in there. And honestly, TCP is the secret. Like, it is the formula for how you do what I had seen. So many patients do. And it's a way of walking people through that transformation, to figure out how do I be happy, be fulfilled, be 10/10, exactly as everything is right this minute. And that's what TCP taught me. And, you know, it's like, I now realize after going through this, that I was searching, you know, I was trying to achieve My Way to Happiness. Like, I thought if I just did the next thing, if I just got the next, whatever it is title, or worse,

Jim Fortin
Would it be title for you? Professional recognition, I'm good at what I do is that

Katie Deming
Yeah patent, you know, I have invention. So it's my next patent. It's my next business. It's my next, you know, I've led large scale Health Systems. I've designed and launched cancer service lines for the largest health care company in the United States. So I've done big things. And so I just was like, okay, what's the next thing thinking that if I achieved I would get to this point. But what I realize is that if you don't figure out right this minute, how to be content fulfilled happy in this moment, when you get those things, you're never going to be happy, you're never going to find that. The way to find it is to find it in this moment right now. And then actually, all of that other stuff starts rushing in and it's so much easier, I was pushing my way to success just like forcing through sheer will and discipline. So

Jim Fortin
By the way, exhausting and tiring because we're always doing something or always putting on a show to please other people. Because when they do that, Oh, I'm gonna get my next step up again, because impressing everybody around me, and someone's going to notice. And when they don't notice, I will try harder and run myself into the ground. And all the things that I'm seeking, which are happiness, ultimately, I'm actually running away from by doing this.

Katie Deming
Exactly, exactly.

Jim Fortin
Let's go here for a moment. This is some. Well, this is you know, when people come in to TCP, the Transformational Coaching Program, I don't know if you remember, but the first week I all or there abouts I always say, guys, all of you, I won't just one thing for you. I want you to find peace. That's it. Because see, when you find peace, all the money you're chasing in the all the cars and the home is in a title. Those things come pretty easily when you find the piece. But we're so consumed in this world with doing what you were doing the awards and that and especially in your field, the more prestigious the award, the more powerful that is for you. I mean, Harvard, come on, where are you going to get better than that, right. And that's better than Community College in Podunk USA. So we're taught in this world, to go do all these things to be unfulfilled to be fulfilled, and then we're unfulfilled. But let's go a couple of places here. You would said that at the end of the lives, they figure out that just I'm leaving the planet, just be happy now. How, how did that happen for you with me? Because that kind of likes to be practical for people that are listeners? How did that happen for you, because you had knowledge of it, you had awareness, you had observation. And that's where you wanted to go. And you came with me. And we got practical for you know, two sessions now 14 weeks each, if you can, what we're kind of the things you did with what I gave you, and the coaching to make that happen with you.

Katie Deming
I think one thing is the foundation is self worth. You know, really working on self love self worth, that was my focus for actually both rounds, in TCP, I focused on self love. But I think self love and self worth is foundational, and it was something that was severely lacking for me. And so that was, you know, started with with really that. But I remember the day that it clicked for me where things started to open in TCP and it was the week on choice.

Jim Fortin
Yeah.

Katie Deming
And I was in clinic,

Jim Fortin
Do I lead that week I normally this next TCP, I'm leading all the weeks. And that's really a week that I loved. Or did somebody else lead that?

Katie Deming
I can't remember?

Jim Fortin
I don't really that's my it's one of my favorite weeks, because you hear me say what so many people say well, that is a choice. What I say is life is choice, because your entire life from second to second is choice. And whatever choice you make, creates an outcome. Okay, let's get back to you. This is juicy. So that was the week that it clicked.

Katie Deming
So I was in clinic. And I will say that Medicine has a Victim Mentality, everywhere. We keep our patients in victimhood. We are in victimhood as physicians, the staff, you know, feeling really out of control.

Jim Fortin
Please, I have to interrupt here. So people understanding we all understand when you say medicine keeps people in victim mentality, what is your definition? And how are you defining victim mentality. So everyone listening, we'll be able to get their teeth into that.

Jim Fortin
Okay, so let me segue from the episode for just one minute, and share something with you that most of you are going to want to hear about, you know that I'm like, no nonsense, no hype, no rah, rah. My job is to help people change their lives from the inside out. So if you've been struggling, or you want more, or you know what, no matter what you do, nothing changes. Then again, you're going to want to hear about this. Because things don't change, we change. And the problem here is that most of us don't know how to change. We don't because if we did, we would already be doing it. This is why you repeat your old patterns over and over and over again. And then you get frustrated and wonder why you can't change your old patterns. So I've got a three part series coming up that I do every year, twice a year, very well received. And many, many people have been through this program, and it's called the BE DO HAVE series and in this series, I'm going to teach Teach you very foundationally, how to change the way that you interact with your brain to get your brain to work with you for what you want to create in life. And it's a three part series called The BE DO HAVE series, meaning, who do you have to be to do what you need to do to have what you want in life, most people have it backwards they operate from HAVE DO BE, I'll explain that later. But we're going to dig into in depth, your subconscious identity, and how you see yourself and how that plays out. We're going to dig into your brain based habits. And I'm going to show you how your brain is designed to hold you back in life, and what to do differently. And then we're going to talk about Finally, characteristics and ways of being and this is all live, I will be leading the training. And we start on September the second. So mark, your calendar. And the other trainings are on the seventh and the ninth of September. But we start on September the seventh. So Mark your calendar, you can go to the shownotes and get registered there. If you're already on my email list, you will get notifications. And here's my promise to you. And the first 10 minutes, you'll understand exactly, and you'll see why you've been stuck in life. And no matter what you've done in the past, nothing has changed. So Mark your calendar for September the second, and I'll catch you on that training. Okay, let's go back to the episode.

Katie Deming
Yeah, so I think of it is people not having sovereignty over their lives and ability to make choices that they're trapped in the situation like for patients are trapped in their illness, and this is happening to them. And with physicians, you know, people who are burnt out working in medicine, it's like, it just you feel like you're being just piled on and piled on and there's more work than you can do. And really you have no control over it. And feeling just stuck in kind of like a victim. In that scenario. Does that

Jim Fortin
know is that here, the wolf. So you see this every day, and you know that I have a lot of what you've seen several, they're all Harvard people and etc, in some, and not everybody TCP's Harvard, obviously. But you see a lot of people in that profession, that are doctors that are trapped in their own profession, because they become victims of Okay, which I did a podcast recently on money, you know, making money your master. So they go to Medical School, if all these bills, they go in their profession, which is not a healing profession, it's a business, then they get it. They buy the houses and the cars and the kids in school, and then what happens, they're trapped in their life. And then they don't like their life, and they can't get out of it. And they become victims too. Well, this is the way my life is set up and organized. Even though I hate going to the hospital every day, I have to do it. So I just wanted to share that as an afterthought for people listening, that your industry is full of people who live from victim mentality. And victim mentality as I share with you guys in TCP. And here is it's not my fault. I didn't call this I'm stuck. There's nothing I can do about this. It just is the way that it is. And I will deal with it and accept it. And it doesn't mean not accepting. But it means literally just blindly taking things from people and not recognizing, as you said, Katie. I have power. I am power. I can choose. And then you pick up from there. That was a big week choice I can choose.

Katie Deming
Yeah. So I was in clinic that day, after we had had, you know, the homework on choice. And I think we had had responsibility before choice. And so I had that concept in my head as well. And I was in clinic, I was like triple booked. It was crazy day I was just running from one place to the next. And I remember I was back at the CT scanner. And I somehow a result for one of my patients had popped up and I saw that she had widely spread Metastatic Disease that was new. And the patient was here Actually, she was having a scan for something else. But I knew that if she left the other doctor who ordered this scan was gonna call her on the phone and just like do a drive by hey, you've got widely Metastatic Disease. And even though I had no time in my schedule, I stopped and I was like, Okay, number one. I've chosen this career. I'm responsible for the position that I'm in right now. You know, and and I get to choose how I show up even though It's felt, you know, feels out of control and like you don't have control of your schedule. So I was like, I told my nurse, I said, I want you to put her in a room. And I was like running between patients. And I had a patient who was like a gynecologic cancer where I knew I was going to have to have her get undressed, to do an exam. So I said, you put her in a room, when I have five minutes, while that patient's getting undressed, I'm going to go in, and I'm going to sit face to face, and I'm going to tell her the news myself. And it was like, I'm choosing to do that. Because that's the Doctor that I want to be. So it just like hit in so funny. Like, I don't want to cry, but I'm, this is who I am. And you know that I'm really sensitive. And I feel so much. And I used to be ashamed of that. But I'm not because I know that's what makes me really good at my job. So anyway, I had a five minutes, ran out, to sat with my patient across face to face. And I told her, and I was able to give her the news. And she knows me, she trusts me. And even though we had such a short amount of time, it was my choice to do that. And then it just happened to be that that day, I had another patient who had Brain Mets. And same thing, normally, I would have just been like, Oh, just pick up the phone, find a time and just get on the phone. And I'll call her and tell her and who knows if she's driving in traffic, or she's got her kids in the car. But this is like our days, right? Like, I'm just trying to fit it in. And I was like, No, I'm gonna choose to that difference. So I called my front desk and I said, you know, call this patient, schedule a video visit at this time. And it was like, again, like a little five minute break, but and tell her you know, that I want to have a conversation with her. So then it prompts her that the doctor wants to talk to her and she's not driving or, you know, with her kids or whatever. And so I was able to tell her and she had her husband with her. And it's like, these probably seem like little things, but this is in Medicine. We don't have the luxury of doing everything, you know, with these, like nice timescales. And so for me that day, I was like, I am in control. And I do get to choose how I do this job. So for me, it just like clicked on that day. And then it's just become for me, it's like, everything is choice, how I show up in every minute is my choice. And through TCP, I show up really differently in every minute.

Jim Fortin
Okay, so I'm listening and I'm absorbing. Do you know that when you actually, you know, this, this is why you got emotional, partly is that do you know when the first case you'd mentioned, and what you probably told her was not the best thing in the best news that anybody would want to hear that day period or at birth, you know, and you were caring, and you were compassionate you you showed humanity when you talk to her. But I made a big note here and I circled I squared it you were in true service, as a healer. And what I've noticed with you explaining things as an over time is when you're you often hear me talking about in TCP is don't waste your life. Don't Mark time, you know, you're just you're you're living your entire life, just going through your days and you're wasting your life. And I often say whatever it is, live your dharma. And for you, that's would you say I would say you're living your dharma. You're living why you came to the planet. So why you're here, you're demonstrating it, and you're impacting people daily. And it might be that five minutes for you. But guess what, it's months or weeks or days people hear that doctors voice in their head. And it came from somebody who cared. And I talked yesterday about Money Live about Virginia Cook, love care concern and getting how much longer I want to go here with this. How important do you think it is to care and love the people you're working with?

Katie Deming
It's everything.

Jim Fortin
You think it's made a difference in your careers and MD is a doctor's Oncologist

Katie Deming
For Sure.

Jim Fortin
Okay, where to go from there? Because you've said some things like, wow, this is a really good, this is a really good episode. I made some notes over here, we should have a call on show people can call in and ask you, okay, you know, all these questions. Okay, let's get back to what kind of epiphany is when people you said figured it out? Can you share anything with us about your observation about how they got the happy?

Katie Deming
I think the first thing is gratitude. The people suddenly have a true appreciation for this life, this body, this experience, the relationships, it just becomes so clear what we take for granted every day, you know, when you become sick. And I think that's one of the biggest things that I see. People who get it are its appreciation.

Jim Fortin
Yeah, when I had the big C recently, and I've messaged you, you know you normally I wasn't asking medical I was just talking about something I don't know what it was and we laughed about it. But you know, I had you been with me, I had heart failure last year, which according to the Cardiologist have completely healed from I'm supposed to be sick for a lifetime is when doctors told me I'm not sick for a live a stronger heart than most people now, but the doctor said, this is a lifetime time condition. And all I know that I had a hemorrhagic stroke. And I talked to my neurologist yesterday, and it's interesting. He goes, you had a really weird stroke, because we don't see that that much. Because it's very rare. And it wasn't major. I mean, it was you know, I people don't realize 30 I think 1/3 of Americans die from strokes. The numbers are crazy, or it's a large amount they die of strokes crazy. On our system, like my doctors, all the doctors tried to keep me in fear all the time. They tried to make me a victim to their beliefs, and what they thought about what the medical books and medical research said. And I think that's all very valuable. You need Trauma Doctor, whatever Oncologist go, you need that. But do not let the system victim victim victimitize you is that the right word victim victimized, victimized? Okay, but I've I pulled the george bush on that one. But victimize you okay? It's been a long day. I mean, I've done things all day long. So my brain is a little tired. But is there anything else that you want to share? About your path? Because it's the big Katie, so many people are just not happy? Let me ask you this. Let's go here.

Katie Deming
Can I say one thing about what you just said? So what you just said, ties into, you know, when I had said, What do people who are facing the end of the life figure out like appreciation is what you makes you really choose to enjoy this life this moment exactly as it is, but what you just described is another aspect, which is around healing. And like true healing, is really about believing what's possible, and that our bodies are miraculous. You know, in medicine, we're taught these confines like what is not possible, you know, to put things in containers so that you can dice and splice and, and, you know, categorize things. But true healing is so expansive that it doesn't fit in medicine. And so what you're describing is that oftentimes, in medicine, we don't know what to do with that. Right. But that is something that I see in patients who, you know, I have patients who defy the statistics. And I used to wonder, I was like, Is it just because they have a positive attitude? And it's like, no, it's because they believe it's possible. And like, they really believe that like, deep down, which I think is hard to do in the system that we've created. We really like you said, We and I actually since I've been in TCP, I think about we have to do informed consent, which is when we're going to do treatment on a patient, we have to tell them everything possible that could go wrong. And I now when I do that, I'm like, I wish I could do this and then just like erase it from their mind.Yeah. No, because basic

Jim Fortin
Let's talk. This is huge for everyone listening. When I was in the hospital with the Cardiologist, one of the cardiologist said this could be a lifetime condition you might have 35% use of your heart, all these negative things. That's my informed consent, so to speak, you know, and I'm like, You're killing people. You know, you mean to do well, but your kill. You're killing People with your authority status and the power of words. And I'll tell you the truth. What I said mentally was, is I said to myself to the doctor, you can take your diagnosis and stuff up your ass, because I'm not gonna live. But that's not how I'm going to live. And look at me today, but I'm supposed to be sick. This is where I'd like you to finish out and keep on going with what you're saying. But tie this into it also one question, because this will affect a lot of little affect 50% of people listening or someone in their family, let's say that someone them or someone in their family, you just have the floor? Once I asked this question, it's yours. And I want you to show up, as I know, you want to show up, okay, that you're comfortable with? With your answer. The question is this. And we can apply this to all areas of our life also. But let's take health somebody is diagnosed with you're sick, you're, you know, cancer or this or that, or this or that, or this or that. What would you advise now being a highly recognized MD, all these years of experience, and then knowing what you know, now with healing? Forget the medical establishment as best you can. What would you recommend anybody hearing any kind of news like that? You're their doctor, but you get to be any kind of doctor you want to be to heal them? Talk to them?

Katie Deming
Okay, well, I'll tell you what I said to a patient today. So I saw a patient and she has Breast Cancer, she's got to go through the treatment. And I told her, I said, we're going to do our part, and we're going to treat the, you know, the symptoms that you have said, but your part is to do the deeper healing. And then that's truly where your healing begins. And ends, like the stuff that we do to you is not healing you, it's kind of fixing and patching up. And I recommended a couple things for her. I told her and now I recommend this almost every patient if they're open to it, because not everyone who comes to see, a Western Doctor wants to hear all this right. But if I, I know they're open, so I recommend love yourself, like your life depends upon it. It's like, this is the best place that you can start. And I recommend that and in working on self love, and self compassion, really taking good care of yourself. And I said, you know, illness is an opportunity, right? There's opportunity in crisis. Because when your role blows up, because you have an illness in my world, because you have cancer, it's an opportunity to stop into re-evaluate, what is it that you want in this life, and what's not working? So self-love, self-worth? It's Foundational, this patient I also talked to her about subconscious reprogramming. And I said, you know what you've learned between ages zero and seven. It's programmed into your mind. And no matter what you do in terms of your thoughts, if those things that have programmed been programmed underlying, are, you know, repeating a loop that is unhelpful for your emotional, mental, physical well being. You can do thought work all day long, and kind of do all the things and not make progress. So I recommend hypnosis for anyone with cancer, Bruce Lipton's books are great and it really describes and explains this whole concept of Subconscious on Cancer specifically. And then, you know, Anita Moorjani's book, I love it. No, yeah, she is just incredible. And I think it's such I recommended her book to a woman that I saw last week who has metastatic breast cancer. And she's an example of you know, she was dying of lymphoma. She had, you know, golf or tennis ball size tumors coming out of her neck and, and

Jim Fortin
the moon, basically, the book, Anita Moorjani's on his book. She's one who is dying of lymphoma.

Katie Deming
Exactly, yeah, Anita Moorjani, Dying To Be Me as the book. And but it's such a good example of where she was dying. She actually died and then came back. But as she came back, she believed it was possible and all of those tumors just dissolved.

Jim Fortin
Were shocked. Many medical science evidence was shocked that somebody could be dead and come back and the body heals. And that's what happens when we what Katie.

Katie Deming
We believe

Jim Fortin
That we love ourselves,

Katie Deming
Love ourselves. Yeah. And believe as long

Jim Fortin
Everything is love. I'm just flabbergasted. Let's go here. This will tie into whatever Cheers. The wrap up ask you to wrap this up. But a question for you on how the year has told me before that when people get diagnosed of something, the first thing they do is go into fear. Oh my god, I have Cancer. I have this I have Prostate Cancer. I have Breast Cancer. I've got a ruptured this what whatever the first thing they do is go into fear. And he goes, that's the worst possible place that people can go. Now everyone listening, Doc here is nodding her head. She's like, Yeah, okay. So, I've learned like when I had heart failure, and I had a stroke, I didn't go into fear. I mean, the doctor, er, doctor was not bedside manner. He's like, you have heart failure. I'm like, maybe there's a better way to deliver that. But I was like, okay, you know, because I knew it wasn't gonna be gonna leave the planet. It's not permanent. It's not permanent. But most people go into fear. Now, where should they go? instead?

Katie Deming
So this is this is something I didn't teach this particular patient because she wasn't in fear. But this is something that I teach my patients. So

Jim Fortin
Most are though, most

Katie Deming
Oh, no, I would say 99% of my patients are just paralyzed by fear.

Jim Fortin
Your job scares people Oncologist, just oh my god, that's bad.

Katie Deming
Yeah. So after my first round of TCP, I saw a documentary called Buck. And it's about Buck is a horse whisperer. Though, the movie The horse whisperer with Robert Redford was based on Buck. And Buck said something in that film, where buck had been abused as a child. And his father was very abusive, and he had been taken out of his home and put into foster families home. And when he went to the foster family, the Dad gave him a hammer, and set him out to a fence and said, Go work on the fence. And Buck said, that was so what I needed in the moment was to go and do a job. And as he grew up, he grew up on this, the family that took him in were Horse Ranch, they took care of horses. And, um, and he said, I realized, people want to break horses, they want to beat them into submission to get them to perform. But he said, I realized early on that those horses were just like me when I was a little boy. And he said, they just need to be loved horse needs to be loved. And they need a job to do. And in that moment, it clicked for me because I was really struggling with my own thoughts in my own brain. And I was like, that's how you can help your patients manage their brain and their fear is that I teach them, I said, I want you to become like a brain whisperer. Your brain is designed to scan for danger. So the fact that your brain right now is pointing out all the things that you should be afraid of that you could die, that you could lose your family, that you're going to be in pain, all these things, I want you to thank your brain, your brain is doing a great job, love your brain, thank it and then give it a job to do. And the job is your intent. Where do you want to go? You want to be in perfect health, and you want to imagine that. But this for me has been a wonderful way to help my patients with fear because it's not beating down those thoughts. Like you shouldn't be afraid. It's like, No, nothing's gone wrong. Our reptilian brain is designed to scan for danger. Yeah. And so helping them realize that love their brain, thank it for doing its job, and then bring it where you want it to go give it a job. So for me, that's how I help my patients. Manage fear.

Jim Fortin
Yeah, and so many people that said they go right into fear when they hear when they have to go to Oncologist office to go into fear, but people listening, you can apply this to fear in all the areas of your life because every one of you listening and like, you know, Katie said here, your Reptilian Brain, its job is to scan your environment unconsciously. 24/7 for danger. It's a survival mechanism amongst other things. So your whole life is wired around fear. So we live our lives like you did through fear. And when people recognize that the opposite of fear is love. And you can be very direct and I think when people you know people think well, you know, I'm not the flowery Maha, you know, Gandhi kind of person. But I tell you, I've learned over the years, the number one place that you can live from, and you have to get out of your ego and your self importance and all that. The most powerful place you can live from is love yourself and accept and love other people. And when people come to you, I'm going to step out here, you probably can't professionally but I'm going to step out and say the reason that people get sick, like Anita said about herself, is because they don't love themselves. And they beat themselves up. And they hate themselves. And they spend, like she said, in her books, so many, so many years of fear. And when I got sick, I was a bit of an anomaly in that I don't know, doctors, like you're a unicorn, whatever that means, in medicine, like you should never be here are your healthy blood work, everything's healthy. For me, what happened to me happened, so that I could grow. Because I could never talk about healing as like kind of a quasi expert, until I went through a stroke and heart failure, which basically qualifies me as somebody who knows about healing. I couldn't do that. Without these experiences. Telling all you guys and the doc a Doctor, okay, guys are real MD right now. And a very credible one is telling you the worst place you can go and healing and in life. And she can demonstrate that with her own life is fear. Final question. What's one thing you want to leave with him? You left a lot? I don't even know if there is one. I mean, what's something you want to leave with them?

Katie Deming
Yeah, I think that one thing that is really important in this work and self growth and through TCP is like, we think that the goal is to be comfortable to like, be happy and fulfilled and, and you have to learn how to be happy and fulfilled regardless of what's going on. But with this work, to really make the transformation, you have to get comfortable, feeling uncomfortable. And really living on that Razor's Edge of like pushing yourself because as you're growing, and you're stretching, each time, you stretch and push outside what you've been, you know, accustomed to doing. You feel like, Oh, no, something's gone wrong. everything's wrong. I feel horrible. And it's like, no, this is the gross. So for me, part of the my commitment to myself in doing this work is being really comfortable with being uncomfortable in the growth and knowing that that's part of the process.

Jim Fortin
So I'm going to challenge you to be which I've watched you grow a lot and our time together. So maybe a thought for you to be uncomfortable, is to take what take this interview. And I'm just kidding, but share it with the entire Medical Profession. So that they wake up so that we heal the world, as opposed to being a business that actually helps people stay unwell.

Katie Deming
Absolutely.

Jim Fortin
Katie, well, thank you. So so I didn't know we're going to talk about today. And I was like, I'm calling my team like what, you know, what's your theme today? But I've known you for a while, like, we'll just hop on and see where it goes. I you know, Manuel knocked it out of the park in his call last week on fear. And you from your perspective, knocked it out of the park as well. You know, I know that you listen to podcasts, you know me, but you helped a lot of people, a lot of people with your words. So all I can say is, thank you so, so much. I'm grateful.

Katie Deming
No, thank you, Jim. I'm so grateful.

Jim Fortin
I love you, I adore you.

Katie Deming
I love you too.

Conclusion

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