The Jim Fortin Podcast

EPISODE 207: “From Trauma To Triumph”

February 23, 2022

This is a really fascinating episode that demonstrates it does not matter where we came from because what really matters is how to choose to manage our thinking and our circumstances. 

In this episode, I interview Priscilla, one of my current TCP students. As you’ll hear her say, she grew up in low-income housing and in an unpredictable world of chaos given her housing. 

As a result of this, she learned at an early age to live in a constant state of anxiety and panic and she lives from catastrophic thinking. 

As you’ll hear, she’s an ardent student of personal development, and she’s even been to some well-known programs, and though she learned a lot, she still had the debilitating past emotions and anxiety and trauma in her life. 

Like many people, she had become so conditioned to the anxiety and catastrophic thinking that she had come to believe that “this is just the way life is.” Millions of people all around the world live constant states of anxiety, and hopefully, her story will be a beacon of hope and light to them. We don’t have to live in and with anxiety, most of us just don’t know any different. 

Some huge takeaways from this episode are also that she “thought she knew it all” as she was going through my transformational coaching program, yet, even thinking this, she still had all the negative emotions and she quickly discovered that despite her foray into personal development for years, she never changed her subconscious context, hence, she kept repeating all the old debilitating thinking over and over again. This lead her to realize that working from what she thought she already knew was one of her biggest obstacles to getting the true transformation she wanted. 

As well, she’ll reinforce how her life has gone from “work” to a life of revitalization and service, and she made this happen. 

Transformational Takeaway

It does not matter what your past is or where you came from, what matters are your choices and your subconscious identity.

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Full Episode Transcript


You're listening to the Transform your Life from the Inside Out podcast. This episode is titled From Trauma to Trumph. In this episode, I'm interviewing one of my students. Her name is Priscilla. And as you'll hear, she literally grew up in the projects. And she lived for many, many years and most of her life with, as a result of growing up in the projects, she grew up with constant anxiety,catastrophic thinking and a constant state of panic. You'll hear her say that she's been through other personal development programs.,And it's helped her. But we'll talk about how she's really transformed her life. And my program the Transformational Coaching Program.

She works from a context of, I knew there was opportunity and life. And when we have the right context, as I'll talk about a bit with her. We can do anything that's related to the context. That's why it's so important that we not just consume. You know, content but we also transform our context, which is our subconscious identity. Because you've heard me say before we don't get in life, what we want. We get our identity. So enjoy the episode.

Hi, I'm Jim Fortin, and you're about to start Transforming your Life from the Inside Out with this podcast. I'm widely considered the leader in Subconscious Transformation. And I've coached super achievers all around the world for over 25 years. Here, you're going to find no rah rah motivation, and no hype. Because this podcast is a combination of Brain Science, Transformational Psychology, and Ancient Wisdom, all rolled into one to take your life to levels, you've never thought possible. If you're wanting a lot more in life, to feel better, to heal, to have peace of mind, to feel powerful and alive, and to bring more abundance and prosperity into your life. And this podcast is for you. Because you're going to start learning how to master your mind and evolve your consciousness. And when you do that, anything you want, then becomes possible for you. I'm glad you're here.

From Trauma To Triumph

Jim Fortin: So today we are visiting with Priscilla. She is a student in TCP, the Transformational Coaching Program, and she did a testimonial video for us. And the video was titled From Trauma to Triumph and indicating obviously she's had some trauma in her life and the main things that she dealt with, as I understand, were constant anxiety and then catastrophic thinking, right. Is that correct?

Priscilla: Yes. Yes.

Jim Fortin: Okay. And then state of panic. So that being said, you're not in a state of panic right now, right?

Priscilla: I haven't been in a state of panic for a very long time.

Jim Fortin: Go ahead dig in.

Priscilla: So I, I mean, I, it's an interesting thing, you know, because you know, I'm an adult, I'm a grown woman. And as you grow and evolve and go through different life stages, you know, marriage, children, different types of relationships. I find often that part of parts of childhood that haven't been resolved can come up. So I did experience a lot of trauma. My parents were very young when they had me and they did their best, but I was mistreated by a number of caregivers over the years. And I think it really taught me that the world just really isn't a safe place. If I think back then, when I got into stable, loving relationships, parts of that were still buried in my subconscious, but they would almost wake up come back and say, no, no, no, this isn't going to last. This is no good. You don't deserve. This really was the underlying message because the world is not a safe place. How could you have something warm and loving? Like everybody else, because you know, you were taught. Things are unsafe. And I started getting into catastrophic thinking, and this would happen, I think, at its peak a hundred times a day. So there would be intense thoughts about something incredibly traumatic. And where I, when I grew up, there was a lot of missing children, went missing all the time. Every summer, there were some little girl that kidnapped and they found her body quite devastating. And you know, my parents didn't filter that stuff out. News was always on, you know, that gets into your subconscious. Um, and there was just constant states of panic just in the outside world that was never really reassured, or I was never taught that this can't happen here. You know, I grew up in low-income housing, um, and you know, children would go out and play all day and they were just things that shouldn't have happened or things that children, myself and the other kids in the neighborhood shouldn't have been exposed to work supposed to. And so, because I didn't talk to anyone about it, you know, I, as a child, I'm trying to make sense of all of this fast forward, growing up, you know, after I grew up, I, I literally came upon just all of this catastrophic thinking.

Jim Fortin: When you say low-income housing and things that happen, do you mean violence and abuse and things like that, that you kind of, that was your environment growing up in.

Priscilla: Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. It was, it was violence it was, you know, people trying to lure children. It was seeing domestic abuse happening, you know, at the neighbor's house on the ground floor. And she always had her balcony door open and we would see them fighting. There were other kids who would talk to us about what was happening in their home. It was very, very traumatic. And so, that was all became my reality. And so, you know, I grew up by, started doing better for myself and had a fair amount of career successes that, you know, I, I didn't live in those neighborhoods anymore, but, I think inside, I was still very much a part of that world.

Jim Fortin: Yeah. Let me ask you a question there, because I think a lot of people listening are curious about that is so I grew up in a small Texas town. I didn't grow up with the abuse and the trauma. I grew up a pretty pretty air quote, normal life, pretty air quote, happy life minus the fact that my father was an alcoholic and he wasn't entirely abusive. He was just absent. And he could be a little verbally, I guess he could be a little verbally abusive, but I don't know if I'd call that abuse. It would call maybe talking down to condescending, but not, I mean, there was never any you're stupid or any of that for the most part. And where I'm going here is I learned so many things about the world from observing that environment. And I remember one year. In high school. I was talking to a friend and I said, I'm leaving this town once I graduate, I'm gone. And he said to me, he goes, no one gets out of here. No, I don't know what we call in to say that because most people, like a lot of our mothers knew the other mothers, they grew up with them. Okay. I got out,metaphorically speaking, my brother didn't. So my life today is very rich. It's very full. I do what I do. I have financial abundance. And then I know that your life today is very rich and very full and a lot of abundance. So when you were watching this as a kid, how did you get out? Because most people don't get out.

Priscilla: Yeah, it's interesting. I had parents, I think who mentally are actually still there. And I got out. I knew there was opportunityand in spite of. So my, my mother had a real hustler mentality and she, you know, always had some side jobs going on and wanted to give us an abundant life and showed us that lifestyle. In spite of the fact that she was still very poor. So we went to Disney world, but we drove there for three days,

Jim Fortin: It isn't the cheap hotel nearby, probably and stuff like that.

Priscilla: We rented some little townhouse, like just outside of Orlando, but we did go on another, like Caribbean vacation. Um, she always, she, we lived frivolously day-to-day, but she wanted us, she wanted to show us that, that life. And so that planted in me. You know what there's a way to do better. There's there's other things out there that I want to strive to. My dad, was a very much an academic and he always said, go to school, go to school. You go to school and have an education as a female. Like, this is what's going to get you further in life, but you're always still going to be probably working class poor,

Jim Fortin: Question there. Yeah. Okay. So your was your dad an academic, but you guys were living in the projects.

Priscilla: So, so they split up. So my parents dated and met at 13 and they were broken up by 20. So, they were separated, but I had a close relationship with both of them in spite of that.

Jim Fortin: Okay. So what I'm noticing you had, which I, it hit me because I had the same thing. When I was, my dad was like poor mentality. I don't know why. I mean, I used to be a money chaser when I was a kid, I gotta be successful. I gotta prove myself. I've got to make money. And when I'm rich and I'm successful and I wanted to go to law school, I'm a lawyer then guess what? I'm going to be successful. And I went to college and even when I went to college, when I got accepted to a private school that I wanted to go to my dad, his exact words were, well, I don't know how you're going to pay for it. I guess you have to go in the army or something to pay for your college. Now we're I'm going here. Is my father used to not verbally abuse me, but he used to kind of poke at me because I wanted better things in life. And he was kind of like, that's not for us. That's not for us now where I'm going here with you and my story and people listening, what you had, which your mother created in you at a very early age was context. Meaning a bigger frame for possibility for you instead of you learning, oh, this is all we are, and this is all we will have. And this is all I will ever be. Your mother built for you. I think I wrote down the word, the word here. I knew that there was opportunity. So you've lived like that. So your mother taught you context and that's the value of understanding context versus content as content is the words. But the context is I can do it no matterwhere I came from.

Priscilla: Yeah,

Jim Fortin: Right.

Priscilla: And, and that, that's, it's a powerful message. I hadn't quite put it in that format as we're talking, but it is a powerful, it's a powerful statement and it, it really does resonate with me because she wanted better and more for us in spite of the fact that we didn't have it in that moment. And there was always some thing to strive for. Um, and she had friends who had abundance, they just married into abundance. You know, she does still joke that she's waiting for her rich husband to come along. But whereas I kind of joke back, like I'm the rich husband, husband, but, but it's, it is something really that. It was almost like this voice inside me, I guess saying, you know, in, in spite of all of these things that you've gone through, there's still something better out there and it's just a matter of finding it. And I think in TCP, what I really started to wrap my head around because I went from, you know, we start the subconscious reprogramming stuff and the old stuff was coming back up, like the week on WOM. It was going well and then suddenly it wasn't, and it was just scary things in my mind, coming up during the self-hypnosis and I was like, whoa. And then you had me switch to it works. And the amount of things that started coming through. You know, talk about my list, but the amount of things I'm constantly revising because things are happening and now I'm just adding more things to

Jim Fortin: Okay. So let me go there for a second. So TCP, obviously the transformational coaching program, the 14 week live program with me, then we talk about, you mentioned WOM. WOM is the workshop of the mind, which is a process that I teach people in TCP we'll do a week on that. Now what happened to you is because it happened to my partner, John, is that. You could probably be an overthinker. Think, think, think, think, think, think, which you talked about earlier because you used to be a catastrophic thinker. So what happens is when you get it, when you, when you relax into the workshop of the mind very quickly creep up, creep up, creep up here, comes that old thought again, the thought, the thought, the thought. So when I put you then into what we call it works, which is a process you were able to work the process in a way that you could analytically manage. And then you could imagine and you could create through that process. Is that accurate?

Priscilla: Yes. A 100%. And it's, it's wild, what you can create. Cause it, it, that process encourages you to put outlandish things on there, like wow. You know, three weeks later. Okay.

Jim Fortin: Well, let's go through that. If you can. What, what, what were things when you switch to that process that. What were things that you put on your list and things that started shifting for you?

Priscilla: So I put, things that started shifting. I mean, here, I'll give you a wild example that, you know, people young and old can resonate with. I'm a huge fan of Adele. The singer I bought the most crazy expensive tickets I won. I got in the lottery. I wanted to get in the lottery to her Vegas show. I got in it's a 10% chance of getting in. I got in the lottery, I won. I then went on the timeline, the whole schedule of how to go and buy your tickets. You got eight minutes to do it. That was a wild marathon experience. I bought these crazy expensive tickets. And then as the date approach, Things started coming up. It didn't seem like the right time to go. Oh my goodness. And then she started adding other dates and other cities that I would prefer to go to not Vegas in February, but the UK in July, that would be a much more fun trip. And I literally, through dream time, I said, subconscious tonight, I need you to give me the answer. Should I go to Adelle? And should I sell these tickets and find a way to sell them? Because that process was even more ridiculous. I just, go and, you know, go and just make a time of it. And I had this very intense dream that I was hanging out with her at the concert and we were having a whole vibe and I was like, it felt so real. And I hope, and I was like, well, that was interesting. And then the next day she canceled the shows and everyone got a refund and the whole residency got canceled. Cause half her crew got COVID reform and everyone was suddenly entitled to a refund. So I got my money back. In a way that didn't require me to have to sit and try to make a decision and feel uncomfortable. It was just wild.

Jim Fortin: What's your takeaway here? Because let me, let me back up here is I've always been a lot of us have always like Elton John and I've loved Elton John for years. His music met him several times, et cetera. He's a lot shorter than he looks nice guy. I met him multiple times, but, he's coming to Phoenix next November in November of 2022. And I'm like, I'm going to that show period now many years ago, I mean, 20 years, Oh God I said, oh my gosh, I hope I can go to that show. And holy cow, I hope I can afford tickets. And they're probably going to be I don't know 200 bucks a ticket and I'm going to be sitting in those bleach and you're nodding your head as I'm telling a story. So you may kind of guess where I'm going here. So anyway, I got on Ticketmaster and a lot of the shows already sold out. It's his last tour. I mean, the dude's like 72 years old or something, you know,

Priscilla: I'm surprise he is touring again I missed the last one.

Jim Fortin: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He, anyway, he's like 72. It's he's saying it's his last show. And if he's like share four more shows after that. But anyway, so it's his last show. I got front row center tickets to Elton John in Phoenix front row center. I mean, you look at the little, like give all those little dots of all the little seats. You have the two middle seats, right front row center. And I'm like, and then they were really pricey tickets. Like, holy mackerel. Now we're, I'm going here with you and me many years ago, I would have. I can never do anything like that. If I, if I get to go, I'm going to go to like the cheapest way to get there. If I can even like, get nosebleed tickets. So can you relate to any of this now because you got what you wanted and it's not that it's not going to happen yet. It's that you did it.

Priscilla: Yeah. And that brings me to the week on choice. And it's, it's, I'm in the room to buy the tickets. I can not go at all and just exit after this whole kerfuffle to get in, I can buy these pricey seats. And if I do, I have the choice of, I want to have choice of doing that. I'm choosing to do consciously I'm choosing this. And number two, if I don't want that, Choice that I made anymore. I just choose something else. That's what for me is really powerful. It's just always understanding, even in my business that I have choice. And if I'm afraid of making the wrong choice, I just choose something else. This is not that serious. You know? And so it's gotten, it's taken a long time to get to that point, but there. It's really, is that easy people like, and there's so much over analysis paralysis that happens in, in, I mean, you know, with so many people that I'm sure I know, you know, that's just like, it's not that deep. You, you make a choice freely thinking. I mean, after consideration, not deciding, but just really choose one. And, and if I, if that choice no longer serves me, I'll just choose something else. And even when to get master said there was no refunds and everything else, I went into dream time, suddenly something ended up happening.

Jim Fortin: Yeah. I was like that. Like, I was like that because I live in a, what they call a red state here in the U S it's red right now. It's more Republican and I'm not getting into politics at all, but they're not as big on mask and things like that as they are, let's say on the east coast to California. And I said, holy cow, I spent thousands of dollars for these tickets. What if they requires certain things to be able to go to the show? No way I want to go to Elton John. Now I can't go to the show. What would I do? And I was actually just kind of jovial with it. I wasn't like all serious and oh my God. You know, I was like, oh, okay. Use it to your advantage. Give them away, uh, have, have a drawing with all of your students and say, Hey, who wants to win front row Elton John tickets? You know, I mean, it's like, there's so many things I can do. And many years ago I would also been like, I would have been angry. I would have been upset. I would have all these kind of things. And now I'm kind of like, okay, that's what it is. And that sounds like where you are now

Priscilla: It's definetley where I am. And it is, it's something that. creates so much more ease inside my body, like physiologically and mentally.

Jim Fortin: I was going to ask you that I was going to say how much more powerful does it any easier does it make your life when you operate from that place? That okay. It is what it is. And I can re-choose and make new decisions and do different things.

Priscilla: It's everything is suddenly, it just feels light. and I mean, I would, I used to joke that I needed a word for that moment in the morning when you just waking up, but you're not consciously awake yet where your mind starts racing about work and this and that. And that's typically stressful. I don't need a word for that anymore because I can wake up and it's easy. I don't that, that moment of just slowly waking up that just that millisecond isn't blissful anymore, because what follows that isn't. hard You know, and that I think is just something that's so important. So many people start their day. Like, you know, whether it's where you want to call it, the metaphoric wake up on the wrong side of the bed or the wrong foot or whatever it is. But like, you don't need to be that way. It's your thoughts? I think you've got almost like a hierarchy thought thoughts control the feeling, the feeling controls the energy, the energy controls, the frequency. And that's where you create from like,you've got to start at the bottom and control that and then everything else, it just kind of flows.

Jim Fortin: So. No, that's how I get it. Let me just add there, because this is a really good conversation and that when I wake up, the first thing that I do every morning is. Thank you for allowing me to wake up. Thank you for another day to day. But a lot of people listening, they wake up and they go into that. Boom. Let me grab my cell phone. Let me worry, worry, worry, worry. You're not doing that based upon what you're telling us. What frame do you have? What are you saying to yourself? What have you shifted to allow you to start your day like that now?

Priscilla: Well, my circadian rhythm is morning, so I'm a morning person. The morning for me is I wake up literally in peace. I don't reach reaching for my phone is not the first thing that I do. Oh yeah. In fact, I would go to the bathroom in the night and grab my phone on the way. I, wake up in the zone of my, almost my first favorite thing that I get to do is in the morning. And it's whether it's reading from it works, whether it's I'm right now, reading the abundance book, whether it's, I'm just doing like a meditationor warm or whatnot like that. That's how I start my day. So I start with high energy and invigoration, but from a place of calmness and peace, you know, you may as well just roll out of a bunk bed. If the first thing you're going to do is just start your day with your cell phone.

Jim Fortin: No, I agree. I don't start my day with my cell phone, but let me ask you, um, how does this change your life when you start your day in a different way, how does it change your entire day.

Priscilla: Well, if there's a day where for some reason that morning routine doesn't happen, I don't wake up the day feels off until I get it done. and so being able to start that way, I'm almost just like setting the tone for how the rest of the day is going with intention, you know, and when I'm, I'm in the mindset that allows for that, that only has space for that everything flows. It's just, you know, it's just flows and it's flows with ease. I have challenging work. I manage, millions of dollars in construction budgets and, and I deal with different personalities and I can do that now. Knowing that I, the energy that I bring into it is, is going to set the tone for the outcome.

Jim Fortin: Yeah, I I'm the same. And that, you know, as you learn in TCP, you'll learn about habits and how to track your habits. And I track my habits and I have a list of habits that I do daily, everything from health and wellness, to gym, to things I eat to supplements to everything. And I've noticed on the days that if for some reason, the morning takes off, uh, something happens. And I don't start my habits that morning and start going through my list that day's going to go into the dumpster in terms of my habits. And only half of my habits will get done because they're not habits yet because they've gotten sidetracked. But if I start my day? Right. And I start with my intention. And I start slowly and when I start my habits. Boom. I get them all knocked out all day long. And I think now that I'm talking to you, that's the habit is that when the day gets knocked off-track, I get knocked off track when I start my day right. Everything happens right throughout that entire day. Yes.

Priscilla: Agree.Yes.

Jim Fortin: Perfect. Perfect. You had said, you wake intention for the day that's vital. Let's go here. A lot of people can relate to this, a lot of people. And you said you used to be in constant anxiety. Now, the reason that happened is because as a little girl, you learn that your entire world, you didn't know what was going to happen because you didn't know when you were four or 5, 6, 7, 8 years old, what's going to happen. That creates anxiety in the body. Then when you have anxiety, day in, day out, all day long, the body learns to stay in a state of anxiety. Was that your case?

Priscilla: Yes. Yes. and I think different life events awaken it and

Jim Fortin: Makes it worse right?

Priscilla: Yeah. Sometimes it was sort of here and then it would have these peaks and valleys. and so I, I'm grateful now that I'm able to contextualize and understand it and now have the tools to have dealt with it because in spite of years of therapy, it still kept coming back up. And it wasn't literally until. I learned Master Thought Formula, move your attention. Like, oh my God. Again, this is so easy. Why did I not learn this sooner

Jim Fortin: We're call backwards? I mean, I had anxiety back when I was 22. I had anxiety, panic attacks, and clinical depression. And what would happen is when the anxiety attack would start coming up, I would get into. Here it comes. Oh, I'm going to have an anxiety attack and then I would have more anxiety. And I started learning back then, wait, which I got busy one day when it started to kick in, I got busy, so I'm stopping my anxiety it moved my attention and I never went into the anxiety attack. And I'm like, wait, what am I paying attention to then I'm starting to feel a little bit anxious and I'm guaranteeing you and please validate yes or no. And you're welcome to tell me no. Okay. So here's the thing, when I talk about moving your attention, which I do a lot, people listening are like, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, Okay. I get it. And they don't get it. That's powerful to be able to move your attention. Would you agree? I mean, yes or a

Priscilla: Hundred percent and I remember again, I went from a hundred anxious thoughts a day to this simple thing, and maybe I would maybe went down after the first week to like 20 thoughts. And then the second week. Two or three thoughts because you move your attention and it's almost like, I mean, talk about Different parts of the brain.

Jim Fortin: Condition the brain

Priscilla: Yeah. I know this is my reptilian brain trying to protect me, et cetera, et cetera. I don't need that anymore. I'm now on a beach literally. And it was like a three-second thing. And so much of my life, just so much weight was lifted.

Jim Fortin: That actually you're, you're very attractive and that's kind of can you look great. I don't know what yourage is, but that's going to keep you younger because worrying we'll, make you older and makes you feel older and affects the body because it affects literally the chemistry in the brain. When people spend all day long and worry, you, you look, I mean, even your body language is showing me, but you look,

Priscilla: No, it, it really is. It really is. And I, you know, in TCP, you, you, you asked this one day after the holidays, how did the holidays go? Then every one had lots of stories about different characters and their family and, and I, and I was, I thought of, you know, I've got one person in my family who's in constant panic and worry, and it's just like, You know, I introduced as many people as I can to your podcast. And everyone in my immediate circle knows about it and most are listening. And then when people stop listening, I'm like, why are you doing this? I'm telling you, I have the answer here. And, and, and it's free.

Jim Fortin: Well, you've heard me say people don't appreciate, what's free even though they think they do. We're going to come back to you and what you're saying there, but you know, of all the people to listen very seldom, maybe once every three months, somebody might reach out to me and say, thank you. You really help me. That's because we don't appreciate, I I'm no different. I think we don't appreciate what's free.

Okay. So let me segue from the episode for just one moment. You know, you've often heard me say that we are obviously predominantly spiritual and also partly human. And that being said, we have to learn to manage both parts of ourselves, the higher part and the lower part. And it's the lower part of us. That's obviously human. That gets us into trouble because that lower part of us, of me, of you of human beings. We get into our fears our emotions our hate our self-pity and that particular, our anger. And we use these ways of being to destroy ourselves. So that being said, twice a year, I do my BE DO HAVE Series. And my BE DO HAVE Series is a three part series, it's three modules live with me, three Q and A's and we dig deeply into your self-image, your Subconscious Identity, Subconscious Reprogramming, your Brain Based Habits, and your ways of being, and you're going to learn tools that will quite literally help you radically Transform your life. You've heard some of it here in the podcast. You haven't heard all of it here in the podcast and in that series, it's all in one place. That being said also there was no charge for that training and we start on March the third. So mark your calendar for March the third and go on over to and get registered. I promise you, it's going to be a very eye opening, cogent experience where I tie together a lot of what you're learning here in the podcast. And then I'm there for live Q and A for you also for three full sessions as well. Okay, one more thing. I'm still doing my LIVE no BS coaching on Instagram. So, whatever you do also make sure you follow me on Instagram because literally I do first come first serve and I coach people live right there on Instagram and I help them get through the biggest things that are challenging them in life. My Instagram handle is @iamjimfortin. Okay, let's go back to the episode.

So, okay. So, but here's where you're going. These people that you're around that get into their anxiety. And were staying with anxiety because that affects a lot of people. I think it's one of the top 5 prescribed medications, social anxiety anti-anxiety medication, when you were in it with them did you see that you were in it, the anxiety, did you know that you were in that constant state of it?

Priscilla: I think when it got to a point that I was having, like, I'd have to stop the car and, you know, maybe have a breakdown on the side of the road. That's when I realized, but there was so much of just coasting with it that my body adjusted to.

Jim Fortin: Okay. Adjusted meaning adjusted to not having it or having but not knowing it.

Priscilla: Having it and just feeling like this was normal for me, normal, you know, you have a baby, oh. Thinking that your kid's going to fall and hurt themselves and die. That's normal. Is it though? You know, but this is so much of a part of, especially the mom community is that no, no, These panicky thoughts, this is normal. And so, you know, society or whomever teaches us that, but then we're in our bodies feeling that, and it's like, okay, it's not that bad though. You know, it's fine because you don't realize where you could be without it. And how free you feel. So when you don't know, it's almost like smokers, like, you know, the minute they quit, they're like, that was so disgusting. I don't know how you know, but it's like, when you don't, realize how good you can feel being anxiety free. You're okay. Kind of with, you know, almost like just enough, like, oh, I I've, I've got enough anxiety, but when I'm not, you know, like I'm not laying in bed with the windows, you know, with the curtains closed, like you feel like this is tolerable, you should tolerate it, but you don't realize that actually a full abundant life can await you without having that

Jim Fortin: Yeah let's go here. I'm sorry. Please go ahead. Finish.

Priscilla: So that that's that's I think is really, there's a threshold of tolerance that, people with it think is fine to live with, but it's really not because if you're comparing. it to you know how free you can feel without it. Well, then you're like, I'm not going to tolerate this anymore.

Jim Fortin: And that also releases you from it is that you have the, awareness now this or that, which one do I want? Do I want to live in panic all day long and anxiety? Or, or do I want to live in peace now? You hit on something and I don't know how it applies to you. I know how you, you said you grew up, but you see a lot of people when they come into TCP, probably 80%. And there's a lot of ascend there, even though it's a big community, there's a lot of people, it doesn't feel like a lot of people because it's just such an inviting community. People share. And it's like a big family, so to speak, but you see a lot of people coming in with financially, the just enough mentality is I'm doing okay, but my life is struggle but that's okay because that's normal. So how did this apply or did it apply to business for you and external things like that.

Priscilla: So I'll be honest. I entered because I've done things like the landmark forum and I've done some other personal development stuff. and I came in having listened to a fair amount of your podcast already. I, to be honest, I felt a little bit like a master student in a one-on-one program. and then, but I saw other people evolve and I saw myself in these people maybe me 10 years ago.

Jim Fortin: Right.

Priscilla: So, but as we went through it, I have to say, I began to even question, cause I've got people in my life that are living incredibly abundant affluent lives, and then I've got people of the, just enough mentality.

Jim Fortin: Right sure.

Priscilla: So I see I got all of it around me for me from a business perspective. I think. In TCP, what really hit it home for me was reciprocity. And if I am giving and I give more than this is better for the continuum of everybody, of humanity, et cetera. And so how can I, I don't know if I mentioned that.

Jim Fortin: Say what you want no I get it say exactly what you want.

Priscilla: I came in with, you know, what, I want $10 million deals. I don't want $1 million deals anymore. And I learned that in TCP, I started off with like million dollar deals, now I want the 10 million, like we're going to go, you know, or even more. and then I realized a lot of this felt not as giving as I should be. And so I started opening myself up and entertaining partnerships with people that were just starting out, that I wouldn't have considered before, because I now want to give and help them. Get into their first deal. And if they get into their first deal, they'll going to give back to the person behind them who want to get into their first and that, that giving reciprocal aspect. I don't, I don't think I need to been really considered before TCP where it was like, Nope, this is what I want is what I want for my family. This is what I want, you know, for my very tiny, tiny community of people. And now I'm like, no, I, want to give more and to help others in a way I hadn't considered before and even formed partnerships, in ways that would help them, that maybe I could do on my own, but like, Help them and earn for myself as well. And so that's something that I, really feel strongly about now that I hadn't considered prior to.

Jim Fortin: Right. Let me, let me add there. Something I'm observing here is, and I hear that a lot there. The community is, it's not a victim mentality community. You don't have people dumping and all that, but you have a lot of people that are stuck in life. That's why they registered for the program. And then we have maybe 10% of people like you coming in and saying, but I've done all these things for 20 years and week. Number one, this is why I say it is a lot of what I say you've heard before. But to think that you already know it means you don't know it because there's still something you're wanting and people listening. She's grinning now because I want to talk about that epiphany for you is because even though you knew things now you're observing them and yourself in a different way as a result. And a question as if I were coaching you is so you've been to all these other programs, but without recognizing it, you were doing the analytical work, but you were still stuck.

Priscilla: Yeah,

Jim Fortin: Because they would have left you with the anxiety and the catastrophic thinking and the trauma and all this kind of stuff. And then when you come to me, we move you out of that because we're experiential. And then when you, what you didn't get into was, oh, I'm better than everyone else. I know this already. There's so remedial. I'm not going to no, no, you didn't go there where I request people go and I I'd love your opinion on that for you is what can I absorb? What do I really notknow? What can I absorb in a new way to build upon what I've already learned?

Priscilla: Yes. And I think it is really going inward and, there are so many parts of TCP that even though. It seemed like information that wasn't completely new to me when watching someone, watching through my eyes, someone else going through where I've been previously then evolve, you know? Cause there's, there's some students in there that week, two, three, they're showing up, they're on the, they're in the group all the time and you're watching the whole story unfold and you're, able to see parts of yourself in a new way through your eyes today and through what you're learning there. But I'm seeing that new and I'm like, huh. Okay. And now just the whole concept I think of there's a I don't want to say spirituality to it. Although that's a term that's used a lot because it's not a term

Jim Fortin: Whatever you want to say just be you.

Priscilla: Yeah. But there's, definitely like a spirituality element where on the week on silence, and I did the four hours of silence and it was, phenomenal on how many answers and things come to you when your mind gets quiet, how you can really just start to just reflect on things in a different way. And, when I spent that time and now of course I spent some day, many days or some period of silence, but you really start to realize that like the source is really in You I, don't need, you know, that person's not going to fix me. That one, single, thing's not going to fix me, but you teach that. You can fix you. You just got. Some of the things inside and the subconsciously, but we are the answer

Jim Fortin: I laugh at their no laugh, but I think back to the old movie, the Wizard of Oz and at the very end, the wizard tells her it was in you all the time. And so many people go looking for things on the outside, the next book, the next webinar, the next seminar, the next this And you've seen all the things inside the group people are saying, I will never do another program again. And then, okay, I'm going to do yours and it change my life And one of the things that people, you know, can learn from here is the program is full. And I tell people, get in the program, get in the group. And the reason why social learning, when we can see yourself in other people, then we're like, holy crap, I do that. Or I did that and I don't do that anymore. And that gives you recognition than yourself that, Hey, all the stories, I'm not those old stories anymore, is that correct?

Priscilla: You then see How you've evolved? And there are so many people in the group that are openly sharing and being vulnerable and I'm like, I was there, but it also proves to you that Evolution is possible and you can break old habits and you can get out of those things to move on to where you are now and, and beyond.

Jim Fortin: And it's the whole takeaway is it's not just everyone listening. It's not just listening to this podcast or other podcast or reading books. It's being in the experience of transformation. Not in the words, because words I could say, Hey, you know what, Priscilla, here's a book on riding a bike and you've never read the book. Okay. Or I'm going to put you on a bike. And that's the power of us doing things also in life is that we learn as we do it. Okay. So you got rid of anxiety and the catastrophic thinking all gone, or where are we with that?

Priscilla: The catastrophic thinking. It is a tiny fragment of what it was and I just moved my attention, literally. It's I move my attention. I mean, if I, at my peak was a hundred times a day, I mean, maybe it's maybe once a day, maybe.

Jim Fortin: Okay. That's a good start. Right? That's a good start after four months. So you need that one a day to let you know, you're human, still you then have something to say, Hey, you know I'm still me where are you going? Because you said, and I see that all the time. Especially when I used to work a lot Real Estate agents, I want to sell a $1 million home. And then when they do what they learn, they can do it. And then they're like, oh, I want to sell a $3 million home. And they do it they learn they can do it. So you went from $1 million deals to now 10 million its normal for you.

Priscilla: You know what it feels like it's possible. It is possible. And I think I keep going back to reciprocity. I want to teach other people how they can step into their power and how they can use real estate to step into that power. And I want to teach, it's not so much real estate agents, um, anybody, um, but I want to be in a position where I'm able to help, help get people, to leverage me, to help them move forward. So, so yeah, it's, it's, it's, you know, I went from buying projects that, you know, had a million dollar profit to $10 million deals. This is, this is, this is what's next. And now I want to help other people do the million dollars and do the $10 million. And how can I create a community of people where we are just building each other up?

Jim Fortin: Let's go there for a moment. Another interview coming up here. As I interviewed Scott yesterday, he's the CEO of Charity Water, which you know what that is. We raised $112,000 in one week for charity water. And we change together collectively. We changed a lot of lives. You've listen to the podcast prior to enrolling in TCP. And you heard me talk about reciprocity a lot, but let me ask you this. You probably thought, oh, I know that you give blah, blah, blah. Okay. Where you living it?

Priscilla: I was not living it. I saw myself in situations where the first thought was. I don't want to do that. I'm going to that deal. Doesn't make sense for me. It was a lot of me, me, me, and now I'm like, how can I help that person?

Jim Fortin: So Scott. Yeah. I'm sorry. I apologize. I don't mean Scott yesterday was talking about, now he's raised, I think three quarters of a billion with a B dollars and we were large. What we did. It cause nobody does it as quick as you guys did. And we did, you know, 112, 12,000 or whatever, in one week and inside TCP. Yeah, it's amazing what we did. But, uh, he, he said that he went from a complete Hedonistic life to his whole life now is how can I take who I am and what I have and build people stop thinking about me, me, me, me, me all the time. Now, you know me, you've been inside the program. Now you understand why I talk about it because you can tune me out listening. Well I already know that when you live thereciprocity and you watch other people doing it for you. And I think you've already kind of hit on it. How does that change your life?

Priscilla: You wake up with purpose and you start to realize just how different and how good and how fulfilling it is to help and serve somebody else and having that purpose sort of as a thread, whether it's through your business or personally, it, it just gives things so much more meaning. I feel good. Like the, I, the very idea that I could do something that really helps someone else and, and their family and their business. And then that trickles down, like, you're really, it's, you know, doing it for you is one thing and, you know, nice cars and all this other stuff, you know, that's whatever. But what I think really energizes you is not getting up and getting into your car. It's it's knowing that you're actually helping other people and really affecting change in

Jim Fortin: I've learned the same thing. Many years ago, I used to chase all the things that I have now when I, I never had it and I chased it. And the more that I chased it, the more that it ran away now, I just bought another $130,000 car online. I own millions of dollars in homes. Uh, by the way, it's a Lucid, it's a, it's a brand new luxury electric car and all these things. I can pretty much afford anything that I want. And many years ago I was like, oh, I want that. And that, and that and that. And then I want security and I want this and I want that. And you're grinning as you're listening. So you can relate to this. And now, unlike there's no joy, once you get it, you're like, okay, what's next? The joy. Which where I'm going here. Tell me if this applies if it doesn't tell me I don't work for a living, I do what I love for a living, which is to build people and to help people has worked in your perspective on it changed for you because you approach it that way now .

Priscilla: It has it changed for me. And I think it gives more meaning I'm not working for a paycheck. I'm not even working to help my family necessarily. I'm, I'm seeing a bigger picture and there's a bigger play. That's far greater than that. And that's what I'm able to. That's what I'm getting now. That's what I'm getting through the concept of reciprocity and, and all of this work. And, and I look around at a lot of the successful people that, that I know, and they are very giving and it's.

Jim Fortin: Right.

Priscilla: People don't talk about this and I don't know why. Cause it's so fulfilling, but like yeah, there's, they're giving thousands to charities or, helping raise, you know, children of single parent homes and paying for this person's college. And I'm like, why aren't we talking about this more? But they'll put, people are quick to show off their new car, you know? And so I think that energy on needs to be, um, illuminated more on every platform because it's, it's something that really makes people feel so good. And it's a two thing. It's a two-way street. I feel great. They feel great, you know, and I, I, I'm now looking at how to create branches of my business in a way that can. It's complete reciprocity.

Jim Fortin: So you've learned that when I become and I engage in the cycle of life, more comes to me. So what's going to happen is that's going to build for you. I promise you 10 years for five, three years from now, you're going to be like, oh me, three years ago, I'm helping so many more people now and having so much more fun and making a bigger impact in the world because that's what I do. I mean, well, I'm the same as everyone else. We learn as we go. And we learn that if that's where we live from, because we're fricking afraid to do it because we're taught like growing up poor, like you and I grew up a little differently, but poor save your money, hoard your money, invest your money, all these kind of things. It doesn't work. It doesn't work

Priscilla: In a cycle.

Jim Fortin: Yeah. Yeah. You got to feed the cycle. So. I'm seeing where this is going for you. And a couple of years, I mean, you're going to start something that's like really new to the industry or brand new or something to engage people, to also teach them this. And you're right. I think it's hardwired in the brain. It's a survival mechanism. Let me hoard, let me take care of myself first. And then when I do that, then I'll help other people. But because they're hoarding, they can never take care of themselves and they can never take care of other people. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for bringing that because I just talk about that now, hearing from you. They're not like, oh, there, Jim goes again, talking about it again.

Priscilla: I think you, you gotta be in the community to see that too. Like when you're, when you're in it and you're seeing the posts and you're seeing what everyone, you know, their, their whole journey. And how they start is not how it ends after the 14 weeks that you really, really, truly start to get it. And it's, it's, it's an onion you'll never fully get it, you know, just even one round of TCP, but you start to experience this and you're like, okay. And now you just go for more and you go for more. And, overjoyed in week 14. When you announced that there was something else coming, oh my God, thank God. You know, I, I want to get more out of this inner circle. Yes. You know? So,

Jim Fortin: I think we never won, oh, blowing, blowing your nails. I know this already. And now you're like more because you're growing and you're becoming more. And as you're becoming more, it's not about the money as you know, And I honestly, I used to think it's all about the money. It's not, I mean, not doing what I do now, but years ago, it's not about the money when you start living for something greater than yourself, that will light you on fire in my experience. Right?

Priscilla: Yep. And you'll start being different and it's, and we go through life with this laundry list, whether it's daily or, or the goals and achieve this goal and do this and do this, and it's not about what you're doing, it's just, you got to decide the type of person you want to be. And when I, when I was able to decide, you know, what, I want to be a giver, that's where all these other things started opening up and then opportunities just started coming to me out of nowhere, seemingly.But that,

Jim Fortin: That makes sense so right? I'm interrupting. Doesn't make sense. Like we don't have the experience of it. We haven't done it. And then we do it we're like, which was my experience too. Woo. The stuff. My work.

Priscilla: Yeah. Yeah. And, and I'm like, this is odd. This just happened. And like one of, one of the items on my list, I wrote it down. It was like an eight minute later a phone call came in with the exact thing. And I'm like, okay, now I definitely like, I have to do away with all doubt, even if there was an ounce left, like it's, it's, it's wild. But it's not, when you understand that it's, it'sscience and it's energy and it's, you know, these, this is how, how you be in the world. The world will reflect that back. And it makes so much sense now that I've been in it and had the experience of it.

Jim Fortin: Yeah, one comment. And then a question for you and we'll wrap up. There is so many people listening. Number one, I don't know if you relate, I've ever thought about this or related to it, observing you and you see a lot of this in TCP is, I would say you're probably an empath.

Priscilla: I don't know what that is.

Jim Fortin: An empath as people that can feel things around them heavily,

Priscilla: Oh yes yes.I thought this was a code for some fancy personality type.

Jim Fortin: You're an empath, you could feel things, you can sense things. And that's why as a little girl, what you were experiencing in your world had a big impact. Uh, negatively now, a lot of people in TCP are very gifted and I don't really like the word spiritual either. I don't know what the word, I just don't know how to define it, but you see a lot of empath on a lot of people come in, struggling with money. And the thing is, is even the giving thing. They'll think that I got a big heart. I want to give, I want to give, but they still don't do it because of a fear of lack. And you're demonstrating and I'm demonstrating. We have to open our hearts. We have to trust. We have to be part of the flow. But when we assist people in transformation, we continuously transform our own lives. As we're doing that. Yes, no. I mean, you're welcome to tell me. No,

Priscilla: No. I wish I could disagree. But I, I agree. And it's, it's something you, you just have to go through it to really understand. And it's like you say, you know, you know, things I can't remember exactly your terminology, but, I

Jim Fortin: I don't know either you think you know

Priscilla: Understand things, but until you've had the broken arm, then you know what it is to have a broken arm until you've gone through it and watch the different and, and felt, then experience these different layers of yourself changing. That's when you're like, okay, I'm getting it now. You know? And you're seeing things just happening in your life that are unexplainable, except that your energy has changed. And the way you're showing up to things is different. And so you're getting something different back.

Jim Fortin: So what you're saying is that you can think all day long about your air quote goals and all these things that you want, and you're thinking about it, but knowing you can have it and be it and do it is a different thing.

Priscilla: It's a completely different.It's I am now have I have I have that knowingness that these other things are possible for me, where before they would seem outlandish and like a far-fetched goal. I know it's possible because I've, I've seen so much change in the little 14 weeks that, oh my gosh, what's next? And I know there was one exercise you had us doing in TCP where you go into the store and you put on whatever watch or whatever it is, or drive the car. And you're like, oh my gosh, this is a different frequency I'm dialing into right now in here, you know? But it doesn't feel as absurd now, you know,

Jim Fortin: Like you're, or you're afraid, or I can't do that. Or the poorest dealership's going to kick me out if I don't belong it. Right.

Priscilla: Yeah. And just really examining the belief systems that you grew up with. And how this, if it doesn't serve me, I don't need it. And I'm just going to actually do away with it. And it really is that simple, but you have to have the tools to know how to do that.

Jim Fortin: Okay. Is the tools we'll wrap up here. You're I haven't seen you in we're good friends. I haven't seen you in a long time. We got to launch metaphor and I say, what happened? Tell, tell me not about TCP, coach me. How did you change your life? What, what things would you advise me to be, or do, or tell me how to do it? What's the most important thing?

Priscilla: Well, the first thing is you have to have awareness around your subconscious identity. You have to be aware of these things that you say and talk about and the words you speak and, the different thoughts that you have about anything. Just understand what that's doing to reinforce more of the same thinking. And if you look around, you probably gravitate to things that just reinforce what you already believe, and you have to step out of that. You need the awareness first to understand it and look at it from a bird's eye view like into your bird. This is actually what you're doing and how so many decisions you make on a daily basis. And you, you lead yourself, you, you make choices or you choose not to do something that just brings you more of the same. And you, you need to, you need to have awareness around this first in order to be able to then move into the next step of creating new thoughts, new habits, committing to new things and understanding even what's important to you. And so first step is awareness. Yeah.

Jim Fortin: That's and by the way, a plug for me, we do that in TCP.

Priscilla: Be aware.

Jim Fortin: You cannot not be aware and you can read all the books you want. There's no, I honestly. To add to what you said. I never intended to create TCP. I never thought, and I didn't have any idea. Years ago when I started creating this, what would happen? And from what I hear and I'm, this is a plug, but it's not a plug. I mean, this from the heart, I've created something that no one's created before, because they can go to all the other programs and everyone in TCP, we had what, a thousand people there. We had one refund out of a thousand and the person missed it. Like you, oh, I know all this. Well then why the hell are you here? If you do it all, you're still looking for something, you know, but. Thank you also for sharing and reflecting, because I see that back in me and you see how I show up every day and I get up and I, so to speak, go to work and have a good time doing it. And thank you for helping me demonstrate that to people listening. And I want to tell you, I really enjoyed our time. I mean, I enjoy you. I adore you and I'm so happy for where your life is going. And thank you so much, so much from the heart. I could feel it and thank you for coming and helping other people do what you're doing.

Priscilla: Well, thank you. It's an honor.

Jim Fortin: Me too.

Priscilla: Receiving that email was truly like the highlight of my year.

Jim Fortin: You know, people listening, the team sent her an email, inviting her because we're like, okay, who would, who can tell who, who, who can demonstrate a story that they've done? Something that we can share with other people? And she thought she get everybody got an email like that. And it was just a handful of people like five or six. So we're like, you know, Sola has such an amazing story that other people can see themselves in her. And I know a lot of people listening right now can and a big hug. I'll see you in the group. Thank you for that.

Priscilla: Absolutely.

Jim Fortin: I'll talk to you later. Okay. Take care. Bye-bye.


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