EPISODE 213: “Bruce Lipton – Warning, This Episode Is Not For Everyone.”
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Wow, what a podcast interview this week. Bruce Lipton was my guest. What a great guy!
Bruce was on the faculty of the University of Wisconsin’s School of Medicine and later performed groundbreaking stem cell research at Stanford Medical School. His pioneering research on cloned human stem cells presaged today’s revolutionary new field of epigenetics.
He is the bestselling author of The Biology of Belief and The Honeymoon Effect, and he is the co-author, with Steve Bhaerman, of Spontaneous Evolution. Bruce received the prestigious Goi Peace Award (Japan) in honor of his scientific contribution to world harmony.
Bruce has a worldwide following so you may or may not have heard some of what we talk about. However, in the last part of the interview I opened the door to “What do you think about that pesky little virus going around the planet?”
In the first part of the interview, we talked about…
How genes do not control your life, as we have been conditioned to believe. Your nervous system reads your environment, interprets your environment, and then sends the control signal to your cells. And, from there your cells correspond to the signals and create health or sickness.
Said in plain English, sickness and cancer do not start first in the body, they start in the mind and in our thinking.
We talked about how controlling your genes is not in your genes, it’s in your environment and he went on to share that we actually control our genes by our interpretations/thoughts.
And yes, we talked about stress and how it shuts down your immune system and how all mainstream media keeps the masses in a constant start of stress which makes them more vulnerable to picking up a virus or sickness.
And, that lead to the talk about the pesky little virus on the planet. Many will like his answer, many will not. Personally, I like his message and agree with it.
WARNING: This podcast is not for everyone.
The seven questions are:
All of these may sound like a simple snap answer, but when you look deeper, there is a great deal of introspection to be had with them.
The bottom line is that if you don’t have something in life that you want then you are not being 100% responsible for making it happen and you’re not being resourceful enough to be responsible.
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You're listening to the Transform your Life from the Inside Out podcast. I'm really excited about this week. I normally don't have guests on the podcast. And I'm about to change that. I want to start having guest, but I only want to have guests if they are the kind of guest that can give me and give you a really impactful. Life-changing segment. So that being said out of the gate, we're starting with, I think a really good one. And we're starting with Dr. Bruce Lipton. Now, a lot of people listening know who Bruce Lipton is. He's an internationally recognized PhD. And literally what he does is he uses science and spirit. In biology. And he bridges the gap between these three things, basically between your body. And spirit. He's the author of the biology of belief. And he's won many, many awards around the world. And been in all hundreds of, you know, TV and radio shows. And. Guest lectures and et cetera. I'm getting a little tripped up here because I'm not quite sure he's so all encompassing. I'm not quite sure how to introduce him.
Other than the man has done an early work in Stem Cells. He's recognized as a Leader in the field of Epigenetics. Which basically is how the environment controls our cells, et cetera. And he's literally changed a lot of the worldview for a lot of people by bridging science and medicine. All this being said, it was a really, for me, a very pleasant interview. Bruce is a, he's an extremely nice guy. Very very affable, very pleasant, very smart guy. I do want to point out is the first part of our time together. You might've heard this in other places from Bruce and personally, I think it's always worth rehearing. However, And the second part of our interview. I asked him about the virus scoring around the planet.
And it may become controversial for some people. What I mean is what I mean is that his answer may be controversial for some people. I don't know. So, what I'm sharing with you is take it leave it it's entirely up to you. And I have him here because I want people to hear different perspectives. And I happen to value his perspective. All that's being said, enjoy.
Hi, I'm Jim Fortin, and you're about to start Transforming your Life from the Inside Out with this podcast. I'm widely considered the leader in Subconscious Transformation. And I've coached super achievers all around the world for over 25 years. Here, you're going to find no rah rah motivation, and no hype. Because this podcast is a combination of Brain Science, Transformational Psychology, and Ancient Wisdom, all rolled into one to take your life to levels, you've never thought possible. If you're wanting a lot more in life, to feel better, to heal, to have peace of mind, to feel powerful and alive, and to bring more abundance and prosperity into your life. And this podcast is for you. Because you're going to start learning how to master your mind and evolve your consciousness. And when you do that, anything you want, then becomes possible for you. I'm glad you're here.
Jim Fortin: So today we're talking to Dr. Bruce Lipton. So Bruce, you had the distinction as being recognized as a pioneer in Epigenetics. What the heck does that big word mean?
What are epigenetics?
Bruce Lipton: Epigenetics. Well, it's a lot bigger, better meaning than genetics. What, what's the difference? Let's go back. I was a Professor in a Medical School, teaching med students about the nature of genes controlling life, which everybody has been programmed to some degree. Oh yeah. The character of your genes represent the character of your life. If you step back for one second and understand what that means, it goes like this. As far as we know, we didn't pick the genes we came with and if we don't like the characteristics, you can't change the change you came with they just add a little thing that we tell you that the genes turn on and off by themselves. And I go, so what's the relevance of that. And the relevance is clear. We are actually victims of our heredity in that belief system, meaning whatever was passed down, genetically, I'm going to get that. Whether it's heart disease, cancer, diabetes, it's not me. It's my genes, which then gives everybody an escape clause. Oh, it wasn't me. It was my genes that did that.
Jim Fortin: Right.
Bruce Lipton: We're all programmed. I said, well, what does victim mean? And victim means. That's basically the bottom line. It says, I am powerless. I am a victim. But what it also means is I will pay anybody. Who's going to help me get out of this victim stuff. And then unfortunately, since we believe this is a mechanical thing, uh, what most people are looking for some kind of drug or another mechanical lever that I put in there and try to fix things with drugs. So that's called genetics. SImple point is, this disease is under genetic control. That means basically you had nothing to do with it in the genes that breeds irresponsibility. It says, I don't know, the genes did that. You know,
Jim Fortin: I don't have to worry about it, right. Because you know what? My family had cancer. My dad had cancer. My grandpa had cancer. I'm going to have cancer too. And that's what you're talking about, the victim.
Bruce Lipton: That's the victim part that says, I have no control over this. The genes are going to do it when they want to. And I have nothing to do with it because the genes turn on and off on themselves. So that leads us to the belief of course, that the genes are controlling the character of our lives. The belief is, yeah, my life is predetermined by the genes I received at the moment of birth. And therefore I'm trying, I'm living out a genetic program.
Jim Fortin: Yeah. Yeah. Let me add something there. My brother-in-law's I'd mentioned him as a Shaman and he says, for example, I drive a Porsche and I live in Sedona and you've been here before. It's where I met you. We don't have a lot of mechanics in town and we don't have a Porsche mechanic. And he goes, if your car it's, it's a fine automobile. And if you need work, you go to Scottsdale and you got a Porsche certified mechanic, but when people get sick, they just go to the regular mechanic, but their car, meaning their body is a porsche and they just take their body to the mechanic who really can't fix the porsche to fix the porsche, the body, you have to go outside of regular mechanics and you have to go to let's use the word, the universe, the divine self, the energy, the quantum field. What's your thought on that.
Bruce Lipton: Well, the basic idea is, is sort of like the mechanics of the car. Look, not that long ago. Uh, we're not that young, both of us, there was a time where we could work on our own cars, adjust the valves, change the spark plugs, do all those things. And then they put a computer in the car and immediately once the computer was in the car, I lost control. I have no control over. I can't fix my car. I don't know anything about that damn computer. Well, the point about is this medical people and I was a professor in medical school our program to fix the mechanical aspect of my body. And when it's not working right, the first thing is you look for where's the breakdown in the mechanical part. And then can I replace that mechanical parts, surgery or drugs? I could put that part in there and fix your vehicle. Now we understand. There there's a computer, right in this program. If you don't understand the computer, then fixing below the computer, just take a chance on stuff. Okay. Is this, there is a computer that runs this program and if you understood the nature of the computer, well, this is why I can't work on my car. I don't understand the nature of that computer will understand the nature of the computer that is running this body. My vehicle relevance about that is it changes entire game of understanding life. So we went from genetics where I'm the victim of my heredity to a new science called Epigenetics. Oh, it sounds the same. I go, oh no, this is the revolution a revolution. I say, why? I say, well, first of all, what does that Epi means what did we call skin,epi-dermis? I said, yeah, but what does that mean? Epi means above. And so epi-dermis means above the dermis. Yeah. Underneath the skin is a layer called the dermis. Epidermis means above the dermis. Okay. Now I say this character is under Epi genetic control. And I said, what does that mean? It's control epi-above the genes control above genes, Epi genetic. I got the genes can control this wooh no, no, there there's a controller.
Your Genes Are The Blueprint
Bruce Lipton: I go, okay, let's back off point is this, what is a gene? This is very critical. A gene is a blueprint to make the protein parts of your body, the proteins of the building hundred thousand proteins. You need a pattern to make these proteins They are very complex. So a gene is a blueprint to make a protein. And I say, so why is that relevant? I go, you go into an architect's office and she's working on her blueprint. You ask her, you say, Hey, is your blueprint on or off? She let me do it. What are you crazy. It's a blueprint there's no, on and off it's a blueprint. Yeah. Precisely the gene is a blueprint. It has no ability to control its own function. There's no such thing as a gene turned on, like the gene made of this no, it's a blueprint. It can't turn on. It can't turn off. But now, now we really have to ask us, who's the architect. Oh, there's an architect that reads the blueprints. I go, yes, I go. Where's that architect, Epigenetics. That architect is above the genes. It's not in the genes. I go. So what is it? And this is where my research back 50 years ago revealed that the control of the genes is not in the genes it's related to the environment. And I go well, okay. That means, how I respond to the environment is changing my genes. I go, exactly. And then the biggest issue is this, and this is where we're going to come into your work. Jim, that's so profoundly important. And I go, okay, what's controlling my environment. I go, well, the brain is the interpreter of the environment. Ah, interpreter of the environment. In other words, an amoeba lives out here in the environment and is directly affected by what's going on, weather, temperature, you know, all, kinds of stuff like that. and I said, yeah, but my cells are inside my body. I go so what They're not connected to the environment My liver cell. Doesn't know what the hell is going on in their environment. Okay. I say, well, but my liver cell has to know what's going on because it has to adjust its function to meet the demands of the environment. So I said, well, wait, how do my cells in my body know what the heck is going on? I go, the nervous system reads the environment, interprets the environment and sends the control signals to the cells. So I say, so what does that mean? I say the genes didn't turn on and off. It was your perception of the environment that determined which genes were going to be turned on and off. And I go, well, what's the point about that? I say, Hey, perception. That's just the way you see it. And I say, so all of us came with like glasses that filters to see life. Okay. And we look at that, through that filter and we interpret our lives. So what I say, well, if you have a distorted filter, then you have a distorted interpretation, right? I say what's the main distortion and the main distortion that we're talking about right now, Jim, and where you're the hero in my book in this regard is that the distortion is the interpretation. Okay. Two people are in the exact same environment and they see different things. And as a result of seeing different things, they have different signals going to their cells. so where, why do they have different visions? I say, because each consciousness sees what it's looking for.
Jim Fortin: Bruce, let me, let me add there because you've got a lot to say, but let me share something is, um, I had in 2020, I had heart failure, uh, congestive heart failure. And I went to the hospital now. I've never been sick in my life. I didn't know. I didn't know what was going on. And even my brother-in-law's a Shaman is like, I can see, but I could not see that I'm not going to go into why, but he goes, I couldn't see it. I go to the hospital, they say, oh, you're going to be sick for a lifetime. You're going to be this. You're going to take all this. Here's your new diet and blah. This is a lifetime. And they said, okay, now here's your prescription. And Bruce, honestly, I said, you can take your prescription and stuff it up your ass because honestly, I was like, I am not living by their broken model of reality. Now, uh, seven months later, I had a stroke on top of that. And the doctors are like, Ooh, reading the medical books, and this is what's going to happen. And that's what's going to happen. And the night I had the stroke, I couldn't talk two days later I was talking, I was fine. Like nothing happened. It took me some time to fully recover. And then four months later I had COVID on top of that. Now my perception was a whole time is I'm a hundred percent. Well, I can manage everything that happens in my body. Now I tell people when you have trauma broken arm, whatever more accident you go to the doctor, you go to the trauma unit, but otherwise you were the healer of yourself. Is that what you're saying?
Your Brain Is Like A Computer
Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. But if you listen, the brain is a. Yes. Most fabulous computer that we know. Okay. And I go, so what about, I said, well, went to functions like a computer. And, what does that mean? I say, let's take a, let's go back to the older days. You'd go to the store and you buy a computer and you come home and you push start and it boots up, screen lights up. I go, okay. Now do something like a spreadsheet, a drawing, write an essay. She said, oh no, I can't do it. I said, you got a brand new computer. Just boot it up. What do you mean first? I have to put programs in a computer, then I can access the programs. Okay. So now we go back and I say, a child's brain is a computer. It boots up in the last trimester of pregnancy. And I say, so what. It can't do anything until you put a program in it. Right. Well, where do the programs come from? And this is a beautiful part about nature, because I asked you a simple question. How many rules does it take to be a functional member of a family and a functional member of a community? I say thousands of rules to participate. I say, how's an infant going to learn thousands of rules I got. This is where the universe gives us a headstart. It says for the first seven years of your life, your brain is primarily in a state of hypnosis called theta. Sure. And theta is, um, uh, imagination. That's where kids understand mix the real world. Uh, you know, they pour nothing into the tea cup, drink the tea, and then they talk about the greatest tea in the world. I say, imagination, I go that's theta, but theta is hypnosis. I go, oh, I say why is it relevant. I say, you want to get the programs, how to be a member of family, observe your family. Watch your mother watch your father watch your siblings and you record their behavior. So a child's brain under seven is like a video recorder and watches the behavior of the mother, the father, the siblings, and downloads their behavior as that's a source of behavior. Okay. And the same thing, they, they integrate and participate in the world around them by observing their community, observing the behaviors, downloading the behavior. So the first thing it says, the programs in your brains, computer, the hard drive. Our programs that didn't even come from you, first of all, serving other people, but by age seven, then the computer ramps up and now we're able to add information so you can type on the keyboard and then engage the programs. Okay. So that's where conscious mind comes in. Subconscious mind, hard drive programs, downloaded conscious mind, creative type on the keys, what you want. Okay. So bottom line of physics, uh, quantum physics, the most to my perception, the most valid of the sciences is consciousness is creating our reality our mind is controlling this and I go, well, how's that working? Are you creating a heaven on earth that, that, that you would like, because you're the creator of this? I go, no why are we not creating the heaven on earth with the Creator. And here's the monkey wrench, the conscious mind, which is typing. Think I go. So what I say, the conscious mind, the one is looking out the eyes is, imagine your body's a vehicle and you're driving it. When the conscious mind is in control, it's got its hands on the wheels and the conscious mind, his wishes and desires. So I said, when you're in your unconscious mind, you're driving toward wishes and desires. And I go, but what happens if you're thinking, I go, oh, when you're conscious, you're looking out your eyes. When you're thinking, you're looking in your head. Other words, day today's Tuesday. I asked you what what are you doing on Thursday? I bet you, within 30, 40 seconds, you're going to say, oh, I'm doing this. I said, where'd you get that? I said, oh, I thought about it. I said, where's the thought inside? And I said, well, then while you were thinking about it, you weren't looking out the window. Were you? Yeah. And I go, so why is it relevant? I say, well, let's say you're driving the car. And all of a sudden you're thinking, I said, then was that me. The drivers were looking out the window, driver's looking inside. Oh my God. We're in a lot of trouble. I go, no, the subconscious is autopilot for the conscious is not paying attention to subconscious knows how to do it because our habits talking, walking, doing your job, whatever it is, their habits driving the car, you don't have to have the conscious mind. The subconscious is a million times more powerful. It drives the car better than you do. So the idea by a little story is, is simply, let's say you and I are in the car and we're driving in. And I started talking to you, Jim, we get so excited talking about, oh my God, the brain, and
Jim Fortin: That's the exit.
Bruce Lipton: And then I look out the window and realize I haven't paid attention to the road for the last five minutes. Now here comes the most important part of that story. Well, Bruce what did you and Jim talk about, and I go, oh, we talked about this and this and this. And then the question is, well, Bruce, what was on the road when you were driving in. I don't know. Yeah. And I go, so why is it relevant? Because when I'm thinking I'm not paying attention to what's going on in the real world at this moment. And I go, no, but here comes the number 95% of the day is the average person's time in thought, well, what does that mean? Well, I say the conscious mind with wishes and desires. It's only working 5% of the day, 95% of the day that conscious mind is inside thinking about the past, the future. What am I doing? And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And while I'm doing that, I'm playing programs from my subconscious hard drive. Well, I say, well, whose programs are those? I go, my dad, my mom, my family. And I go, oh, well, I will, if those are bad programs, up to 60% are negative disempowering. I said, well, if I was playing God, I'd be aware of it. And I go, no, you won't. I go, why not? Because just as I said, when your mind is engaged thinking or focused on something, then the subconscious kicks in drives a vehicle. According to whatever I downloaded in my seven year period of download programs, I go significance. I'm the one that doesn't see my own damn program. And I've given the same story, Jim. 30 35 years. But so when it works right now and his story is this, you have a friend and you know your friend's behavior and you happen to know your friend's parent. And one day you see your friend has the same behavior as the parents that you got it. You just got it. Hey, Jim, you're just like your dad or you look and you're like,
Jim Fortin: Oh God. I'm like, mom.
Bruce Lipton: yeah or Dad. That's even harder. Right.
Jim Fortin: Oh my God I'm my Mother.
Bruce Lipton: You say that, you say that to Bill. Hey, you're just like your dad. I know what Bill's going to say right off. Bill's going to say, how can you compare me to my dad? I'm nothing like my dad and the audience laughs because they're all familiar with it. I said, Jim, this is the most profound story for our audience. And I said, why? Well, everyone could see that Bill behaves like his dad. Who's the one that doesn't. Bill we'll explain that it goes simple. He observed his dad's behavior in the first seven years downloaded as a program and 95% of the day when he is thinking and not looking out the window and the subconscious autopilot kicks in, he's using the behavior program of his Dad and I go, but he's the one that doesn't see it. Why? Because he's thinking at the time, he's like what was on the road when I don't know what was my behavior when I was thinking, I don't know. I'll tell you what it is, whatever the program was that you got. Okay. And I go, so why, why is this relevant? In this regard, we don't observe our behavior. 95% of the day, please don't work. There's a tendency to say, oh, I'm a victim. I woke up this morning today going to be my best day. I'm going to be healthy. Find a relationship, get a great job. I'm going to do all that today. And then at the end of the day, it didn't work out then they go. Well, it wasn't me. I wanted to be successful. It's them? It's that? I'm a victim. They walk away saying, oh, it's not in my power. And I go, we are all Bill. That's the profound point of the story. We are all playing subconscious programs, 95% of the day. And we were the ones that don't see it, relevant relevance. If I have a disempowering program, I downloaded, then I'm playing a disempowering program and what's going to happen is I will be disempowered, but unaware that I even participated.
People Learn They Are Not Responsible For Their Own Health
Jim Fortin: Right.
Bruce Lipton: And this comes back to a question that we started a long time ago, and that is this. You went to the doctor and the doctor gave you a prognosis, right? I say now let's go back to the average person growing up, the average family person, they have a doctor when their mom is sick, she goes to the doctor. When dad's sick, he goes to the doctor, or when you're sick, you go to the doctor. And I say in the first seven years, when you were programmed to go to the doctor with your health issues, what is the result of the program? And the answer is I'm not responsible for my health, that doctor is and whatever the doctor says that becomes my program. And then 95% of the day, I'm going to live the program of the prognosis. I go, well, why is that significant here? And I go, because most of the prognosis is so negative. Like, oh, you're to have this problem I'm going to have this problem. We're going to have this problem. They go, what a coincidence. I had all the problems that the doctor said, I go, it was not a coincidence. You've been programmed. You accept the, doctor's word over your own belief system. Sure. The doctors are professional. What the hell do I know? Right. Doctor says this and it's like, that's true. So most of us have been programmed to accept the word of the doctor as truth. And I say significance of that is, whatever the doctor says, that becomes my guiding principle.
Jim Fortin: And then who then who controls the doctors economically and in the world and the pharmaceutical companies and the ads and the payments to the doctors and here push our drugs, have people take this and this and this, because the backup here, when I was a kid, I learned you have to go to the doctor. And I just didn't. That was never right. For me as a kid, that's not right. And now I'm like, I'll go for trauma, but I ain't gone for everything else that they think I need to be going for, because I could heal that myself.
Bruce Lipton: Absolutely.
Jim Fortin: Action for you.
Bruce Lipton: This is important point you're making right now, Jim. And that is I go to the doctor for trauma,
Jim Fortin: right?
Bruce Lipton: That's a machine breaking,
Jim Fortin: right?
Bruce Lipton: The surgeon trauma guy's the one that knows how to put the machine back into a sequence.
Cancer Does Not Biologically Run In Families And Genes
Bruce Lipton: But if I go to the doctor because I have cancer, so what's the doctor going to do? I go, same old thing I've been doing since 1930. They're going to give you toxic chemo poisoning. They're going to kill your cells with radiation that's the same BS. That means belief system. BS. Since 1930 and they're still doing it. And I go, what's the relevance. And here comes the relevance cancer. 90% of cancer has no even hereditary linkage. I go, what does that mean? It's there's no such thing as a cancer gene. That's a false statement. It's a belief system. Oh, the doctor says there's a cancer gene. No because my program says, doctor is the truth, then all of a sudden I don't question that, oh, I got bad genes. I got bad cells. and if we kill the cells, I won't have cancer. I go, well, that's all again, bunch of BS. Why there is a fact there is no gene that causes cancer. Cancer is a state of disharmony in your life and you don't have to have, there's no such thing There's no one gene. I have this gene, I got cancer. I say, there's no gene that does that, but it's a belief system. Then you get somebody like Angelina Jolie, a beautiful young woman. She has a couple of young kids, but her mother died of breast cancer. Her grandmother died and her program in her family was the genes and the genes cause breast cancer. Here's this beautiful prime of life, beautiful woman. She has a double mastectomy. I'm going to move these breasts and therefore I won't get the cancer. I go, well, first of all, that so-called cancer genes, not just in the breast, it's through the uterus and all the reproductive tracks, the ovaries. I say, you can cut the breast off. You're still, that didn't mean anything. But the belief system is if I don't have the breast, I'm not going to get cancer. And the relevance to her decision is that there's a belief that there's something in her that she has no control over. Get rid of the breast and I, I won't have a problem. Uh, and the fact is this, 50% of the women that have that breast cancer gene never get cancer, the significance is having the gene didn't cause cancer, 50 percent of the women that have the gene never got the cancer. So the gene alone that they call oncogene cancer gene itself. It didn't cause cancer. It's a lifestyle that activates that gene that expresses cancer.
Jim Fortin: Explain there. Lifestyle that causes the cancer. What does that mean?
Bruce Lipton: That means that we have learned...there's something called harmony and disharmony. Are we living our lives in harmony with the world around us? And I go, no, we are living our lives on programs that are disconnected from their environment. Oh yeah. Your genes are not connected to the environment, it has nothing to do with the environment. Forgot about the environment. It's your genes. Completely wrong. The genes are switched on by my interpretation of the environment. If I interpret that I'm being stressed and especially like women, uh, what are the consequences? I'll give you right now, consequences of women who are stressed, uh, growing up, especially because of being women.
Jim Fortin: Right?
Bruce Lipton: What can I do? And the idea of consciously says, well, what if I'm not. What if I don't have that woman characteristic, then that I won't get abused. Oh, okay. How about no breasts? Well, that's a good start. You know, significance then is what happens is that women don't want to be that way. They don't want to be bothered. They don't want, I mean, because that's right. Our whole world there it's over. It's bad. Okay. The amount of abuse women get, especially the physical abuse. A lot of them become overweight. I know is that genetic obesity? I know it's protection. The visual of the mind was if I'm not attractive, they won't bother me. Right. I lose my breasts. I gain weight. I do all these things and I go, what? Now I feel safe in my subconscious program, which. Being a woman is opening me up to violence and abuse and I go, so what are these issues? The obesity, the cancer, and all that. And I go, they're not genetic. That is a protection mechanism based on our psychology that says, because I'm a woman, I am unsafe to be safe. Disguise me as somebody who nobody wants in this world. And I go, this is the issue. Breast cancer is not due to a gene. There's no gene that you got this gene, you got breast cancer. As I said, the most virulent of those genes, the BRC gene, 50% of the women have that gene, but never got the cancer. You have to stop right there and say, well, how did that happen? And the answer is because the gene didn't cost cancer.
Jim Fortin: Yeah. Yeah. I've been, a hypnotist for a lot of years. I teach hypnosis to my students and all this, and I tell people that many times when a woman is raped, many times after she'll put weight on. And the reason why is that subconscious isolation and protection. Oh, now no one wants me. No one will rape me. No one will harm me, but I go back to you, look at a person who's world famous and she's she can't lose weight. Well, she can, but she can't, you don't want to say can't, you know what I mean? Oprah Winfrey. And she was raped when she was a kid. And so she's going to all these trainers and the best experts in the world. And no matter what she keeps putting the weight back on, because at a deep unconscious level, that is her isolation and protection to keep her overweight. Your thoughts on that.
Bruce Lipton: That's exactly what the whole story was. Nobody's treating her conscious as they want to body. How can I get less fast? I was, well, go do this exercise, eat this diet and go. And I said, that's not relevant. What's relevant is what is the mind wanting to do with the body to look at the world of protection outside? And if you don't go back and fix that mind, Then you're always in need of protection. I don't care what drugs you take, what diet you're on. That's not where the problem came from. It's not a mechanical, physical defect. It's a consciousness issue we have to deal with right here. Uh, and this, this is the big issue is that, well, you can throw all the damn medicine you want at this, but it doesn't necessarily work.
Jim Fortin: It won't fix the, well, let me, let me go there for a second. When I had heart failure, the doctors put me on beta blockers. My brother-in-law's like, we're going to get you off all that stuff. And trust me, it was, it was challenging, but I went through some, a hell to get off the meds. Yes. And I mean, not because of the meds, but because the things he put me through to heal the body at a very profound level. And he, I did some research, extensive and doctors. The first thing they do is they recommend beta blockers. When you have heart attack and
Bruce Lipton: Where do they get that from
Jim Fortin: Well, hang on. I don't know. I don't know, but I read beta blockers don't even work.
Bruce Lipton: No, I was a professor in a medical school and when I would make a statement, this is true. I've got a hundred, some students out there, all medical students. And I just make a statement. If one of those students even ask me a question, dares the ask, this is not like dad asked me a question in the middle of my lecture. All the other students will look at them and glare like shut up, take notes. Just listen. Don't say anything. Medical school. I go so why is this relevant I make a statement. Actually, look, when I was teaching them back in the late in the seventies, there was a whole different understanding of, of cell biology than I'm teaching today. Cause we didn't have it. So what did I teach them? Oh, genes control life. I go. So why is that relevant medical students download that stuff it's like concrete believe system and it says, don't challenge me. Like that's what the point was in the lecture. Don't ask the professor a question, take notes. And this is how you train a medical student.
Doctors Are Not The Smartest Healers
Bruce Lipton: This is why there's a problem because a lot of people think, oh, the medical students are the smartest and brightest students in the school. I can tell you what they are. They are most proficient at rote memorization. Meaning I give them a thousand facts. They give me back 90% of them. Oh, now you're a medical student. If you're a thinking person, you want to get that score. And I say, why? Because your mind will start to look at different understandings and try to put them into the world. And we didn't want that in medical school. Here's what we said you do. And then a medical student graduates and guess what? Now they got to live by the law of what we said that they do, because if they go off that boundary. That's when they can lose their license, you know? Oh, COVID you could do something with Ivermectin. No, no, no. You get Ivermectin we're going to take away your license and I go, who's controlling this. And now the answer, unfortunately, which I've known for years, cause I've been in that medical school. It's the pharmaceutical industry.
Jim Fortin: Exactly. Well, Bruce then what happens because I have a lot of students that, that have taught at Harvard and teach in Harvard. Then they get in the system and they become doctors and they have kids and their kids go to college. And now they're financially dependent on the system. They can't get out of it. And then many are just miserable with their lives because they're tired of being, they, they went to medical school to be a healer and their practitioners, all they do is prescribe based upon a diagnosis. And they're never a healer.
Bruce Lipton: Right.
Jim Fortin: I promise myself I would not go here, but I know myself. I love to rattle the cage. Man. If I can rattle the cage, I will. You mentioned it So let's go there and go wherever you want to go. It's free license. COVID. Okay.
Bruce Lipton: Oh, what BS story that is, you know, I say why? Because the first thing they did is scare people.
Your Body's Response To Fear
Bruce Lipton: Yeah, we go, why is that important? Because when you are afraid, you give up your power to the one you think has the power. And all of a sudden, I say, so what does that make me? I'm back to being a victim again. Holy crap. COVID is here. I'm going to die. Right? Millions. It said day one,millions of people are going to die with this. And I go, you know, there's a flu every year and they say, oh, get your flu shot. And most everybody goes, yeah. Yeah. And they don't get the flu shot. And some people get the flu and people die. Okay. That happens. But I go, so what's the significance here? And the answer is on a regular year. It's a flu season, so fine. I'm not going to get the shot. What the hell do I care this year? This flu is going to kill millions of you. The moment I heard that it was like oh, this is a friend, right? Wow. I said, well, wow. I gotta be afraid. I go, oh Jesus, let me, let me, let me start with this one. Let's give a reason here. Why fear has anything to do with it? And it goes like this. The fear response started thousands and thousands of years ago, I said, what did you fear back? A hundred thousand years ago, I go saber tooth tiger. Right? If it chases me catches me I'm food. So guess what? I'm afraid of saber tooth tiger. So I say, what happens if you're one of those guys out there in the field 100,000 years ago and the saber tooth tiger shows up and say, what are you going to do? I say, run like hell and climb that tree. And I go, okay, you're ready. This is, there's a reason here. And this is why it's so cool. Fear puts me in fight or flight. Right, right. Okay. I got to protect myself. I say, what organs are the primary organs in use in a fear response. Arms and legs. Get me the hell out of here. Protect get me ready. Okay. So I say, so that in a state of fear, the organs that are required the most at this time are the activity of the arms and legs. And now comes the, this is the part where does the energy come from to activate those arms and legs? I go, the blood is carrying energy. I go, so what, and I say, when you're in a state of fear, you put the blood into the system, you need to protect yourself. I go, where's that arms and legs. And here's the out of the textbook. The blood is preferentially sent to the arms and legs in a state of fear, preferentially, where the hell was the blood before it was preferentially in my arms and legs. I go, the only other thing is the viscera, the gut. And I go and I go, what's the function of the gut. Maintenance of the body growth of the body, cleaning, fixing, repairing, taking care of your physical machine. I say in the energy of the blood is what powers all that. And then I say, yeah, but the saber tooth tiger is chasing me. What the hell do I care about taking care of my visceral right now? I got, I got to run. So here's the point, stress hormones shut down the blood vessels in the gut by causing on the squeeze shut. And I said, so what does that mean? I said, well, when the blood vessels in the gut squeeze shut, then the blood is preferentially sent to the arms and legs. So the first thing that happens in a fear, stress response is that the stress hormones. Cause the blood vessels in the gut to constrict something, we feel it it's called butterflies in the stomach queasy. I said, what's queasy. I said, the blood vessels are going like this, closing off, pushing the blood to the outside. So I say, first thing is this. You shut down the growth of maintenance of the body when you're in fear. And I go, yep. What else do I need to do to conserve energy? So run away from that tiger. And I said, well, one of the biggest energy users in the body's immune system, I go, what do you mean? I said, well, if you've ever been sick, you probably didn't even have the energy to get out of bed because wound system use a lot of energy. So now I put up the point, there's a saber tooth tiger chasing me. And I have a bacterial infection. I could get bad case of diarrhea. Okay. And I go, how do I distribute the energy? How much should I put in the runaway from that tiger? And how much should I stop the diarrhea? And the answer is the hell would the immune system, why the tiger catches you? The bacteria, not your problem anymore. That's not your problem. Okay. So here's the most important point again, that outside the first one, you shut down your growth and maintenance of the body. As the blood goes peripherally. And I say, stress hormones shut off the immune system. Why I don't need to have protection on the inside of the damn tiger behind me is going to eat me okay. So it's so valuable. This, this is how valuable it is when doctors want to transplant an organ from person a and a person b. If you put the foreign organ in the person be their immune system is going to actively try to reject it. It's four. Right? So what do they do? They give the recipient stress hormones before the operation inhibits the function of the immune system and, and protects the foreign graph. I go, my God, the stress hormones are so effective at controlling the immune system that it's used therapeutically to control the immune system. So now I got two points. I'm being chased by a tiger. I shut down the growth and maintenance of my body. I shut down my immune system and here's a third. I was like this when I called it the insult to injury. Cause you've already done two injurious things by shutting down growth in immune. The third one is this remember I said, stress hormones in the body, squeeze the blood vessels, shut pushing the blood to the outside. It turns out the stress hormones. When they're in the brain causes the blood vessels in the forebrain conscious part of the brain right behind your forebrain. Right here, right here. They caused the blood vessels to squeeze shut. I go, why? What does that do? I say it pushes the blood preferentially to the hindbrain where reflex reaction occurs. No thinking. Boom. Okay. So I say so now let's put the pieces together. I get afraid of something. Oh. I start to shut down my growth and maintenance of the body. I shut down my immune system cause I'm getting ready to run. And when I get ready to run, I'm not going to think why thinking it's too slow. I won't reflect boom. I need to go. So basically that. One stress hormones in my body. They shut down all these systems, consciousness, immune system, and growth. I go, yeah. But then go back to when the system evolved, I said, when was that saber tooth tiger? I go, then what I said, Hey, if you got away from that tiger, 10 minutes later, you're back into growth again, I don't need any more stress hormones. So stress was only used for very short limited of time. But during that limited time, there's a compromise by shutting down growth immune system and consciousness. And then I say, and what about today? And I go, well, that's where the damn problem comes in because the stress hormones are 24/7, 365.
Jim Fortin: Let's go there. So I say the tiger I'm turning or two with the tiger is the mainstream media, which makes money off being the tiger government narratives. And then families who don't know any differently and people who follow those narratives. You tell everyone else in the family, you have to get vaccinated. So the tiger is actually the hypnotize masses from the media and the government narratives that actually weaken the immune systems and keep people sicker, which fear, e
Bruce Lipton: Fear that's how it was sold. It was sold as fear you're gonna die. Millions of millions of people are going to die. I go look every year, millions of people die from the flu, but nobody says anything, but this year now extra millions are going to die. And all of a sudden that means, wait a minute, I might be one of those millions. And now that flu scares me. It didn't scare me last year when it was regular winter flu. But this year I'm afraid. So the first thing that happened was my immune system starts to shut down. I go, well, there's a problem with the damn flu. If your immune system isn't working, you are victim of this
Jim Fortin: Then I gets sick because my immune system is shut down. Right. Well, I get what I wouldn't have got first place.
Bruce Lipton: Yeah. But now here comes the issue about it is, well, we have this vaccine I go. And how good is your vaccine? I go, it's no F I was going to say bad word. It's no good. I go, why not? Because it's the vaccinated people that have Delta, it's the vaccinated people. They get Omicron. It's the vaccinated people that end up with more. I said, well, wait, they all got back to his go. They don't understand this. The virus has these little spike proteins on it. That's where the problem comes from the spike that binds to the cell. So they said, oh yeah, but we can make antibodies against the spike so that if we make antibodies against the spike, then the virus won't affect you. And I go, that's true. Now I only got one problem. Antibodies are so specific to their target that when they're tuned to bind that target, they will not bind to anything. Other than that target there, it's a lock-in key. An antibody is a lock and key. So specific to that spike protein that goes then what? And I go, when people get the virus. The biological system that's involved, uh, controlled by this virus will make variations on it. I go, why? Because if there are variations and there are versions that the immune system won't see. So if I changed the spike, they meet the vaccine you made for this spike. That's useless because there's a different spike and all of a sudden that key doesn't fit. And then they say, well, but get boosters. It didn't work the first time. Why would I get a booster? It didn't work. It does not work. The best immune response to COVID is get the damn COVID when you say we haven't, I'm going to die. And I go, not the average person, the persons who have problems. And this is a fact of the research. Are people with co-morbidities. These are challenges to the immune system before the virus showed up. They were already weakened before the virus showed up.
Jim Fortin: Bruce, hang on. I had co-morbidity. I mean, I had heart failure and a stroke prior, and I'm like, when I got, when I got the, when I got COVID I'm like wrong, I'm going to pull, this is going to be fine. It's just, I got a bad flu. I will be fine next week. Keep on going.
Bruce Lipton: And that, and that's the fact that people don't understand that yes, there are going to, people are going to get very sick. And I say, who are those people? The average person, I say, not the average person, the person who was compromised, who were they? Well, firstly, the very old people in nursing homes. Why are they in nursing homes? They're already getting feeble in their biology and they need support. So their weak before they even started, I said, who else? Well, 78% of the serious cases are people who were obese because obesity challenges the system and then included in that. Then there were people with diabetes type two, which is a response to the environment, not genetics it's okay. And what else? I say people with high stress jobs. Okay. Or people like yourself that had heart conditions. All of those are called comorbidities. Now what's interesting is how's America doing? I go 60% of America, six out of 10 Americans have one comorbidity, but here comes the number. 40% four out of every 10 people have between two and three simultaneous comorbidities. I say what's relevant. They are weak before the damn game even started already challenged. That's not the virus. The virus just push them over the edge because their system wasn't working into function anyway. And then you want to blame the virus. And this is how they changed the statistics. They changed the statistics, the fit, the story, like how many people are dying from COVID. Well, according to the US Bureau of Statistics and listen to this, they said, if the person has been tested and has COVID, then that's the primary cause of disease. Even if they came in because of a car accident, even if they came in with cancer, even if they came in with heart disease, that if they died with the COVID. Then the source of death was COVID not the car accident where you were all broken up, but you had COVID in the car accident that killed you. And then here comes the part that now I was going to say bad words again, cause this irritating,
Jim Fortin: I get it. I get it.
Bruce Lipton: Not only, not only does a doctor sign, a death certificate that they have COVID if the test prove that, and then COVID is automatically listed as the cause of matter what the hell it was. But they also said this in the statistics. Well, you can prove COVID with a test or listen to this. If the doctor believes you had COVID then the death certificate must say COVID cause of death. I mean, if the doctor believes you go back, what the hell is that all about the numbers of deaths associated with COVID boom, jump way. The hell up. I say, yeah. Well, what about all the cancer people? Oh no, no, no. They had COVID so they didn't die from cancer. They died from COVID. So cancer stats went down, heart disease, stat of death went down. Why? Because they were now catalog as COVID death because of belief that COVID or they had COVID primary cost, which raises that death level to the fear zone that says be afraid everybody's going to die from, I see a belief system, the belief system I'm afraid. I go, what happens when your friend said, oh, he's just shut off the immune system folks. So there you go right away. There's a problem right there. And the issue is COVID is hardly more lethal than a standard flu, except for the fear base that knocks out the immune system weakens us. And of course the four out of 10 people with comorbidities there, right? Uh, the virus is like, um, they always just say, wolves are, you know, the problem. And they go out and kill everything, the wolves, and they, then he studied them. They found no, the wolves only killed the weakest ones. The wolves can't kill the strong ones. I go, well, functionally reason is this. If a Wolf is going to chase an animal, you don't chase a strongest one because you're going to have the least probability of catching it still one who is weakest. And so what is the Wolf doing? Calling the herd of the week elements to strengthen the. Yeah. And what about COVID? I said that's a Wolf for humans. That those that have a problem were already compromised before the damn thing there, but then you blamed it on the COVID and didn't take any responsibility for the comorbidities that were actually the cause of the problem. So this is a hyper solution worked out by the pharmaceutical industry. I love it. Get your free shot. I go. What in the hell did that become a free shot? Where did the trillions of dollars of pharmaceutical companies earned
Jim Fortin: government?
Bruce Lipton: Where'd they go? Yeah. Well then who gave the government the money I gave them the money. Don't tell me it's a free shot. I paid for this damn shot.
Jim Fortin: And yeah, some people would say, I don't want myself on, I paid for other people to have it because they're in their fear because the way they choose to live their life.
Bruce Lipton: That's it. And the idea about is this. If you have a co-morbidity, it's your responsibility to take care of your health, because you are already weakened, you gonna wear the mask, you gotta stay isolated because you're going to protect yourself. I don't have a comorbidity. Am I afraid? No, I got COVID. So what I had a lousy week. All right. I got a hell of an immune system because the vaccine makes an antibody against one target on the virus, getting the virus itself and having the experience. Your immune system will make 30 different types of antibodies against the virus. 30 different places where the immune system will recognize it and kill it. The vaccine one place I go having a vaccine is especially the vaccine against the original version, because the variance Delta Omicron, more whatever whatever's next. And they're not affected by the damn vaccine because the vaccine doesn't recognize the alteration to that spike. And all of a sudden, what's the use of the vaccine placebo. I feel better because I got the vaccine. I go that vaccine doesn't help you countries like Gibratar as an example, hundred percent vaccinated and Delta swarm right through that country. And it blame it on the unvaccinated go. No, everybody is, you know, the, the, the bavaccine and never, oh God, let me just say this again. Why so important? The original understanding of the vaccine in the information provided by the drug companies as what is the meaning of this vaccine. It only helps those people who are serious, you know, have a serious concern in a hospital. I said, what about a person that doesn't have this area? The vaccine doesn't help you. It does not prevent you from getting COVID and it doesn't prevent you from spreading COVID. So there's this BS going out there that, oh my God, that person is vaccinated. They're going to cut us all. I go, you could be vaccinated or not vaccinated. You are still the same susceptibility to that virus, regardless of your vaccine status white, the vaccine does not work.
Jim Fortin: Yeah, no, I, when it, when this happened, I kind of giggled at it to some degree and I'm not, uh, hopefully I'm not judging, but everyone, the masses run for give me a vaccine. What you don't see happening is the same mass rush people telling me, how do I heal myself? How do I strengthen my body? How do I strengthen my immune system? How do I make myself stronger? You don't see that.
Bruce Lipton: No, because that would be taking care of your personal health and giving up your health control the doctor's the one that controls your health, correct? If You start taking care of your own health then who's paying and the doctor about it as, oh, we'll never do they. And you're right. When they talk about all the different things you can do about COVID near the end, if they do mention it, is "take care of your health". Eat Well, exercise, do these important parts of taking care of your health. And they put at the end, oh, the mask the vaccine the social distance, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And at the very end, if they mentioned it at the very end is, oh, and take care of your health. I go upside down backwards. First you take care of your health and then you have no problem with COVID.
Jim Fortin: Yeah, no, I don't know if you travel now. And I don't, I don't like to travel. I live in Sedona. I was on a flight last year and they tell you on there, I fly first, but I got stuck in the back because the flight was full and they say, when you leave, the plane keeps six feet of distance between you and the person, the hell you're sitting next to each other, like sardines on their plane.
Bruce Lipton: I know I've seen the pictures of people waiting at the ticket line, all six feet apart, and then it will, the picture of everybody's sitting cramp three in a row,
Jim Fortin: pile you in.
Bruce Lipton: What the hell is that all about?
Jim Fortin: I know
Bruce Lipton: just the belief system. You're afraid. And you'll buy the damn story. And the story is not supporting you. It's supporting a pharmaceutical agency, which has manipulated this in the very first place, correct? Nothing with the FDA is in bed with the pharmaceutical companies. And if anybody has a question about that, there was a great show on Hulu and the network Hulu, uh, and it's called dope, sick one word, dope, sick, one word. And it's the story of Oxycontin. And I go, what's the story. It's a true story. I go. So, yeah, but what's the story. The drug companies pay the damn people in the FDA to make, to support the drug company. That's all of a sudden the idea you say the FDA they're, they're taking care of me. I say, no, they're taking care of themselves. They're getting paid. To say what they say to support somebody. And the Oxycontin story was the clear one. How the drug FDA changed the definition, uh, of Oxycontin til it wasn't addictive. Well, it is addictive and they just changed the wording. So it sounded like it wasn't then that way everybody could get the prescription. Oh, it's not addictive. You see, there I go. So that's a story. The FDA made up in conjunction with the pharmaceutical company.
Jim Fortin: It's human corruption for money. Bottom line is exactly what it is, which has lower human consciousness.
Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. And you know, while we're at it Jim, it's just basically, this is that we are in a state in the world today. Because of the programming of our victim, our role that here we are trying to protect ourselves by giving money and activities to these other agencies and not trusting who the hell we are. I say, you're the same person. I can walk across the hot coals, but you have to have your consciousness to do it right. The middle of that walk and say, can I do this? Boom, you just burned yourself right there.
Jim Fortin: Right.
Bruce Lipton: Only consciousness. And just even emphasize even bigger. Cause, um, uh, I met this videographer who was down south and he was, uh, filming, uh, um, fundamentalist religious groups, getting into a religious ecstasy where they speak in toddler. Some of are called snake handlers and they play with things, but the really cool ones, they drink strychnine, poison and toxic doses to show that God protects them. Well, God protects them. Is there a belief system? Okay. They drank the damn poison. And don't have the harmful effects of the poison. It's like, holy crap,
Jim Fortin: Wait, disclaimer, no one listening, drink strychnine poison, or any of that? I'm just saying that you're just giving me an example.
Bruce Lipton: Yeah, it is an example and it was, I have the video tape. The guy gave me a copy of the video tape that I use in some of my lectures. And I go, these people are drinking poison, but their consciousness is not accepted as poison their consciousness said, God protects me so I can do the stupid things, like play with the rattlesnakes or drink the strychnine and not have an effect. And I go, that might not be your best plan to go and follow those fundamentalists. But it is, it is an it's a definition. It's an experience showing. The poison only affects me if my consciousness allows it, the fact me, and then I go back and because we should have started with this, maybe the most valid science, according to mind, you know, looking at the sciences and I'm in is quantum physics. I go, I go principle, number one, principle. Number one, consciousness is creating our life experience,
Jim Fortin: Double slit experiment.
Bruce Lipton: That started with that and went on and says how you look at it, determines the outcome and how you look at it as how you perceive it. And your perception is manifesting this. Uh, and the significance is if I can disempower you by telling you, you have no control. Who do you think you are?
Jim Fortin: I control you now.
Bruce Lipton: So, so the point. We have been programmed to lose a power that you could walk across hot coals, drink, trig, strychnine, poison. Uh, one of the earliest examples was, uh, I forgot what disease it was all of a sudden it was a disease back a long time ago. Uh, and, and it was based on some toxins, you know, some toxin and some guy says it's not the toxin, and he drinks, it, he drinks, uh, you know, the toxin, the bad stuff.
Jim Fortin: Yeah.
Bruce Lipton: And he has no harmful effects. And then, uh, they sidestepped it by saying, well, regardless, we don't know why, but the toxin is the toxin and it's toxic. And so they ignored this guy, but he showed them in his mind. It wasn't toxic. And he drank it just like the strip 9. And he had no adverse effects and medicine could not buy the story. They had to say, well, there's some other thing we're not seeing. That's why he was safe. And the guy was like, well, it didn't fit your story. That's where the problem comes from. And today we're changing the story and your work to me is vitally important to everybody in your community. For this reason, Jim is a story is in the, in the, the mind, especially the subconscious mind.
Jim Fortin: Absolutely. Bruce, let me go there real quick. And then we'll wrap up and tell people how to find more about you and what you're doing. I would give anything if I kept it, I don't have it. 20 years ago, I saw a BBC documentary on hypnosis powerof the mind .I'm a Hypnotist for a lot of years. And in this series, They had somebody undergoing open heart surgery with no anesthesia.
Bruce Lipton: Yes,
Jim Fortin: No chemical in the body. They did it with the let's call it the power of the mind.
Bruce Lipton: Absolutely.
Jim Fortin: And that's the power that we have. And you're talking about the same thing right here. Just different application.
Bruce Lipton: Well, exactly. But again, your power is based on your belief system. If You believe that doctor is truth provider, which is what we got programmed to believe. Then whatever that doctor said, it becomes your truth and your life experience. They say you're going to die in three months. We'll then get ready because you're going to have be programmed to buy it, and you're going to die in approximately three months. Turns out how many people were supposedly going to die of a cancer in three months, they died. And then when they did the autopsy, they didn't have enough cancer to kill them. Yeah. But the belief system, and that's the underrated story of the world. It's our belief system that's creating this. And if you're not creating what you want is because your belief system has been distorted by whatever learning or life experiences you had.
Jim Fortin: I'm looking for your book, biology of belief,
Bruce Lipton: Biology of belief.
Jim Fortin: Yeah. So real quick, tell people what that's about and then what you're doing and how they can find you.
Bruce Lipton: Well, biology belief is the understanding of the mechanics of the science that you misunderstood from your growing up period, where you were taught that genes control life. And it turns out no, they don't it's consciousness, that controls life. So the whole story starts with the experiments to show that genes don't control life, that, uh, whatever the secretions of our brain, the chemistry of our brain is a translation of the pictures that we hold. That, that chemistry that comes from those pictures is the chemistry that shapes us. And I say, relevance or change the picture in your mind. And you change the chemistry that goes to the controls, the cells,
Jim Fortin: neuroplasticity
Bruce Lipton: neuroplasticity, and also to recognize a, you have been programmed the movie, the matrix, people say science fiction. I go, no, it's a documentary. Yeah, everybody's been programmed. But I love this part because in the movie there was an option to take the red pill and get out of the program. And I said, well, what happens when you get out of the program, then I have to turn around to the audience and say, most of you have taken the red pill and didn't even know it. And I said, well, it wasn't. I say, when you fell in love and you experience what it's called the honeymoon effect, that mean, I say, your life was blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Every day until you met this person and then 24 hours later, you have a whole, oh my God. Life is so beautiful. The music, the food, so beautiful. I go, wait, it was blah, blah, blah. And then 24 hours. It's beautiful. I go, because it's recognized by. Falling in love keeps you mindful, keeps you in the present. And I say, well, what's the relevant? I said, well, how come we're playing the programs? And I say, because our consciousness is thinking, I say, yeah, but what if you've stopped thinking? And I say, then the consciousness stays in control. What's the consciousness wishes and desires. I say, the moment you fall in, love you stop thinking. I go, well, if that person you've been looking for your whole life, is there, what the hell you want to think? Because that takes you out. Keep you present. Love keeps you present. Love is a red pill. Love can change your life in 24 hours. Unfortunately, you'll start thinking again, down the line. And once you start thinking, then your behavior is not coming from your wishes and desires. That's where the conscious mind is. Once you start thinking your life is now back to the program again in the honeymoon goes away. There was a point that says, yeah, your beliefs control your life. And they control them because you're thinking 95% of the day and the beliefs didn't come from you. They came from observing other people. So they're not your beliefs, but they're going to control you. And then you fall in love, you stop thinking. And all of a sudden, now you're manifesting from wishes and desires. Conscious mind. I go, look what you did. You made heaven on earth. I go, heaven on earth was always here. What happens is you can experience it for the average person because you're not coming from wishes and desires. You're coming from program. And, and this is why your work then for me, becomes so critical. It says, can I change the program? Yes. Yes. When you change the program, you take control back over your life. And this is why the special work you're doing transformation and helping people get out of, uh, uh, limiting disability of the, a bad program in the subconscious mind. I reprogrammed his subconscious mind. I reprogrammed my life. I go, that's it. That's the game.
Jim Fortin: Let me ask you the question. Final question here is I offered you and I, I live from service. I offered you $5,000 to be on this interview when I met you. And you said no. And I even ask Anna, your assistant. What can I do? I mean, I I'm offering them. I offer it again. I will, I'll pay $5,000 to interview Bruce. And you said, no, I would've said no when I'm as well-known as you are. I would still say no. How come you said no. '
Bruce Lipton: Because uh, knowledge. It's just knowledge. I'm not physically fixing your car and putting a new carburetor on or anything like that. I'm just talking here and
Jim Fortin: I know your time and your expertise and years of training and, and teaching in emedical school. I mean, there's value on that. I understand.
Bruce Lipton: But if, look, if I'm living heaven on earth, which I am for the last 20 years or more because I changed the programming that you work with. Other people about, I changed that programming and I say, so what's good is, and I say, if everyone around me is living the same as I'm living, creating heaven on earth, then earth, it becomes heaven. And every person who's not doing that, if he can help them do it, it enhances the power of that field. That vibration, that energy, that consciousness, the more people that become conscious, the more powerful we are as people, the more this planet goes into the red pill state. And that's when we start to create what we want. Because bottom line we started with quantum physics, uh, consciousness is creating this experience and the ideas. And why would we want to create this crap. We have a garden. We came from a garden and our consciousness. We stepped all over that garden and destroying the garden. And the idea is, well, then it is a garden, a bad place. I go, no, it's us. We're doing this. You take your power back. You are unconscious. Remember when you're thinking the program is playing and you're not paying attention, your unconscious like Bill of the behavior. If we all got consciousness, then you'd wake up every day and say, oh my God, we're in heaven. And to me, this is so critical because everyone thinks well, when your die, if you're really good, you go to heaven. I go, no, when you're alive, you're here. You manifest what is heaven? That's a manifestation. Jim. Tell me what your vision of heaven is. And then I asked somebody else. I said, oh, guess what? All kinds of different visions. I go guess where you can have all the different visions right here. We're creating it right here. And of course, I came from the conventional world in the medical school and all that other crap to get out of it. After the research revealed that what I was teaching was disempowering to the people. Yeah. I said, no, I can't do that. I, you know, can't do it. I want people to wake up because I've done it. And I I'm just me who realized at some point the mechanics of it that said, wait, I'm manifesting this. So I must be responsible for manifesting the bad as well as manifesting the good.
Jim Fortin: That's responsibility.
Bruce Lipton: And that's a hard word for most people because they don't want to own responsibility. Yeah. And I go, well, then what I said, well, then you're a victim because if you can't say you have power, then by definition you say I'm powerless. I'm going to many people. I've been programmed to be powerless when we are creators.
Jim Fortin: Yeah. Bruce, where can we find more about you?
Bruce Lipton: So simple, brucelipton.com. Lots of Articles, lots of videos, lots of interviews, podcasts, all of that freely downloadable from that website. So the stuff we're talking about, uh, there's a whole resource of information on bruce ipton.com
Jim Fortin: And YouTube. You've got quite a few videos on your channel.
Bruce Lipton: YouTube channel I have a whole channel. I got some fun videos. I think they're fun. We create a look. Humor is the best way of teaching.
Jim Fortin: Yeah. It's how we learn.
Bruce Lipton: It's called edutainment uh, we make videos here, edutaining videos. Because Teaching through fun is more effective than teaching through fear.
Jim Fortin: Exactly. Bruce, I honor you, I honor the work you do. Please. Let me know how I can serve you in any way. And thank you for, for being here and sharing and bringing your presence today. I'm very, very grateful for that.
Bruce Lipton: I am very grateful for you out there because as I said, the way we change is individually. We each have to make a change. A lot of people can not do this without a coach. They just cannot. It's like, oh, I do that. And I go with a coach can help you and you are one of the superb coaches that can help people because when you help them, you help me. When everyone around you is living like, oh my God, I could create heaven on earth. And my vision of heaven on earth is very expansive.
Jim Fortin: High tide raises all ships. I sent you a hug.
Bruce Lipton: I so appreciate you Jim, for what you're doing, because that's where the world is going to change. Not through pharmaceuticals, man. It's going to change through consciousness and therefore really appreciate your work. And I appreciate you letting me be on this podcast to help you and your audience even get a more grounded jump into, okay, let's work on that conscious and actually subconscious work on that programming because I want my life. And I said, I came from blah, blah, blah, life. I even wrote a book called "The Honeymoon Effect". Why? I couldn't get a relationship off the ground for over 40 years. Why? Because where did I get my relationship programming from my mom and dad? I go, well, that's a crap couple and required to, and yet I downloaded their behavior and re and kept manifesting the same problems that they had. But like Bill not seeing that I did it. But once becoming aware that it's a weight change, that subconscious, like the work you do, I rewrote it. And now I've been on a honeymoon with Margaret for 25 years. Why? It was changed of belief. I didn't change the world. Change the belief in here. The world changed with me.
Jim Fortin: Take her to dinner. Enjoy a nice dinner. We'll we'll we'll we'll cross paths again. Thank you again, Bruce. Uh, get my,
Bruce Lipton: I so appreciate it. And I especially appreciate our audience because those are really cultural creatives that are saying. I need to get out of this box because the answers are not in this box side. And I honored them for taking the time to say, give me an alternative thing because it's not working.
Jim Fortin: I agree. All right. My brother stay well, have a great day. I'll see you later. Okay.
Bruce Lipton: Thank you so much, Jim. Thank you very much. My friend take care.
Jim Fortin: Bye-bye.
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