The Jim Fortin Podcast

EPISODE 275: “Unleashing The Power Within – Epigenetics, Belief Systems and Creating Your Reality”

June 21, 2023

In this thought-provoking episode, my special guest Bruce Lipton, PhD, takes us on a journey through the fascinating world of epigenetics and belief systems. Join us as we explore the groundbreaking concept that challenges traditional notions of genetic determinism and empowers us to take control of our lives. Discover how your consciousness shapes your reality and learn how to rewrite your belief system for personal transformation.

The Revolution of Epigenetics

Bruce Lipton introduces us to the revolution of epigenetics, a science that reveals the power we have over our genes. He debunks the victim mindset of heredity and emphasizes how our perception of the environment plays a crucial role in gene expression. Explore the concept of “epi-genetic control” and understand how it transcends the limitations of genetic determinism. Many people consider Bruce one of the pioneers in the field.

The Subconscious Mind and Habitual Programming

Delve into the profound influence of your subconscious mind in your daily life. Bruce Lipton explains how your subconscious acts as an autopilot, driving your habits and behaviors. Gain insights into the impact of thought patterns and the importance of being present in the real world. Discover the astonishing realization that we often operate on autopilot, playing subconscious programs for 95% of our day. I have said this a bazillion times before and many of us don’t “get it,” but our thoughts and behaviors are subconsciously “programmed.”

Belief Systems and Health

This segment challenges the conventional belief system surrounding health and disease. Bruce Lipton uncovers the fallacy of “cancer genes” and reveals that cancer is a state of disharmony in our lives perpetuated by belief systems. Explore the profound connection between our mind, body, and overall well-being. Learn how taking responsibility for our health and rewriting our belief systems can lead to transformative healing.

Fear, Consciousness, and Empowerment

Uncover the detrimental impact of fear on our lives. Bruce Lipton delves into the evolutionary origins of fear and its implications for our biology. Understand how fear shuts down growth, weakens the immune system, and hinders our ability to manifest positive experiences. Discover the transformative power of consciousness in overcoming fear and reclaiming our innate power. By the way, I have also done a few episodes on the concept of fear and eliminating it.

Creating Your Reality through Belief Systems

Explore the incredible potential of your belief systems in shaping your life. Bruce emphasizes the influence of your belief systems on your experiences, highlighting the importance of examining and reshaping them for your personal growth and manifestation. Discover the profound connection between your consciousness, beliefs, and your ability to create a fulfilling and harmonious life. 

Transformational Takeaway

We are not victims of our heredity, but rather, empowered beings capable of rewriting our own destinies. Your belief system is the key to unlocking your potential and manifesting the life you desire.

Full Episode Transcript


You're listening to the Transform your Life from the Inside Out podcast. This episode is titled Encore Unleashing the Power within Epigenetics Belief Systems and Creating your Reality. This is an Encore episode, but I'm adding to it. And this is my interview last time, you know, last year sometime with Bruce Lipton and I want to add a different introduction to it. And I want to use that introduction to get you to think about different things. As you're going through the episode. Very powerful episode. Keep listening.

Hi, I'm Jim Fortin, and you're about to start Transforming your Life from the Inside Out with this podcast. I'm widely considered the leader in Subconscious Transformation. And I've coached super achievers all around the world for over 25 years. Here, you're going to find no rah-rah motivation, and no hype. Because this podcast is a combination of Brain Science, Transformational Psychology, and Ancient Wisdom, all rolled into one to take your life to levels you've never thought possible. If you want a lot more in life, to feel better, to heal, to have peace of mind, to feel powerful and alive, and to bring more abundance and prosperity into your life. And this podcast is for you. Because you're going to start learning how to master your mind and evolve your consciousness. And when you do that, anything you want becomes possible for you. I'm glad you're here.

So, let's visit Bruce Lipton again, you may or may not know who he is, but I imagine many people in my tribe do. I got to say that Bruce is a really, really genuinely, very likable, very nice guy. And we've even talked outside the podcast and talked about different things, but he's just a really good guy overall definitely. Good guy overall. I kind of sound like rain, man. Definitely. Definitely. Anyway, and that's from a movie back in the U S back in the 1980's, I believe. In any way. You know, I know I've settled the podcast before. And I've asked you a question probably in two or three different episodes. But did you pick your name? Many of you, 99.9% of you didn't pick your name and you are acceptly. You simply accepted a name that was given to you. Mike, Bob, Susan. Margaret, whatever. And you accepted the name with no analytical thought whatsoever. And you've lived your entire life by and from that name.

Another question, which precedes this episode. What things have you accepted in life that you learned many years ago when you were 4 or 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 years old. That you accepted because you were actually indoctrinated by your parents, your culture, your church, and everything else. What things did you learn about reality and your world that may not be true today but actually you learned them then and their true for you today? You know, as I coach people, I see so many people struggling with money. And I struggled with money for 30 years of my life. Maybe even a couple of years longer. And what I've learned over the years, the past 20 years is everything I learned about money as an example was wrong.

And I've learned. You can listen, not listening to this or my comment. But what I've learned is a great deal and what I've experienced and observed. A great deal of what I have learned about the world. Is not true at all, but it's simply indoctrination for things that serve other people. It serves companies, governments, and organizations. But a great deal of what I learned. And we're no different because we're both on the planet doesn't serve me. But yet I learned it many years ago in my childhood and I don't know. I don't recall. I do not remember that I learned it and I live by it today. So, anyone trapped in health issues or money issues or relationship issues, the thing is this, you learned how to be who and how you are today from many years ago and you live in those traps.

Now I tell you that relevant to this episode because Bruce, for some people, and I had really enjoyed talking to Bruce and I got some flak from some people. Saying that I shouldn't have Bruce on and after the episode aired. That I shouldn't have him on and I'm being irresponsible, and they hoped that, you know, iTunes censored the episode or whatever, and that was back during the time of COVID. And Bruce and I talk about his perspective from being a scientist and a PhD. And the field of, I think his expertise was biology.

But we talked about his expertise. And how the world believes something completely different, but yet even today, he's recognized to a large degree. As the father of epigenetics. Epigenetics is that your, your, your life is not determined by your genes. It’s your environment and you’re thinking that actually affect your genes. So, as you're listening, you know, Bruce may say some things. And I want to back up here by the way, Don Xavier told me many years ago or three years ago? Not many but three years ago, whatever, when COVID started. He called me that very first week and his exact words were to me, which I've never shared in the podcast.

Do not get into it. The virus is very real, but what many people are saying about it, even scientists, is fabricated. Even now I saw something recently where the government, the US government is speculating, which Don Xavier told me from day number one. Is that the virus was created in a lab in China. And then Don Xavier one or the tell me while I'm not going to mention in this episode, but how the virus got released. So, you can believe, you cannot believe. But I remember thinking back many years ago. Don Xavier went. And I was sitting on the back porch, and he said something. That's always been etched in my mind. Most people do not ask for the truth. They ask for what confirms their reality.

What things do you ask about the world? The 2020 election in the United States, do you ask insightful, critical belief, challenging questions about what happened or didn't happen? What about illness? Do you ask yourself on a doctor says, well, you're sick and XYZ is going to happen. By the way I did an interview with Bob Cafaro, he healed himself from multiple sclerosis. It's one of my prior episodes. Very, very good episode. But Bob said an interview except the diagnosis but did not accept the prognosis. Because most of us, because of our indoctrination, accept the prognosis, but not just for our health and wellness, but for our life, our relationships, our healing and everything in our life. So, the whole point of doing this introduction is, and I think I've, you know, kind of explained it is that we learn to be who we are. And we learned that through our indoctrination earlier in life. You know, often ask people how come trains in the United States, how come the train crack is the width that it is.

And most people never really, they don't know the answer. But as I've learned that it could be true or not true. The reality is that those train tracks are the width that they are. And then I asked people about the space shuttle and the space shuttle is the size that it is because it had the fiddle and the train tracks, and the train tracks were actually model after for whatever reason. Rome. Yes. Ancient Rome. Now all of this, if it is true and I've done a little research, so I suppose that is true. If it's true. Notice that the space shuttle, what we call modern technology, was built. Because of something that happened thousands of years ago. So, what I ask is, as you're listening, even if you've listened before. When Bruce says things and especially about COVID because I just asked him to tell the crew from his perspective as a scientist, and he is a non-conventional buck, the system. Former medical school professor, very, very smart and educated guy. And I asked from his perspective and interestingly, his perspective chorus. Perspective corresponded to a hundred percent of what Don Xavier, a shaman, told me. Who does not have, you know, university graduate school training in science, but I find that often he knows as much or more.

And oftentimes great deal more than actual scientist. On that note, a lot of people don't even recognize. We think. Lot of people live. You know, with science as an end, all be all in their life. And the reality is the science on the planet is a baby science. Science literally knows nothing about the university, even though we think we know a lot, we know a little bit, and we still can't literally physically observe or experience over 99% of what exists in the universe. Why? Because we cannot see it on the electromagnetic spectrum or perceive it without using higher awareness or higher sense.

So, the whole part, you know, my whole purpose of this introduction. Is to ask you as you're listening. Does this challenge my belief. Is my belief based in reality. And I mean this in every area of your life. Or is it something that I learned and am I living my life by something I learned that's been keeping me trapped that is not true for me. Good friend of mine's a hypnotist and I heard him say well actually we haven't talked in a lot of years but he's a walnut hippie test as a as was I but I wasn't the well-known hypnotist and I heard him say years ago about getting people into and out of hypnosis And this is probably 25 years ago when he said it's not hard which I know because I used to do it for a living He used to say actually it's not what he said You know, I’m thinking back he said it's easy to actually take someone in hypnosis It's hard to get them out of hypnosis. Why is it because we learned we're indoctrination it becomes subconscious programming. And that is hypnosis that we live our lifetime to keep ourselves craft and to keep ourselves blind. Anyway, hopefully you found something in this introduction and enjoy the episode and I’ll catch you over on another episode.

One more thing I’m sorry about is I’m going to do about three more encore episodes. The reason why and I’ll do an introduction for each one the reason why is my internal team we are actually reorganizing the way we structure the business, and these podcasts are actually a lot of work it takes my team several days to get this out to the format that you just click on it and listen to. And we are reorganizing the structure of the business on the inside so we're going to run encores within crowds until we get reorganized in a couple of weeks. Okay again thank you for listening and I will catch you over in another episode. Bye-bye.

Jim Fortin: So today we're talking to Dr. Bruce Lipton. So, Bruce, you had the distinction of being recognized as a pioneer in Epigenetics. What the heck does that big word mean?

What is epigenetics?

Bruce Lipton: Epigenetics. Well, it's a lot bigger, better meaning than genetics. What, what's the difference? Let's go back. I was a Professor in a Medical School, teaching med students about the nature of genes controlling life, which everybody has been programmed to some degree. Oh yeah. The character of your genes represents the character of your life. If you step back for one second and understand what that means, it goes like this. As far as we know, we didn't pick the genes we came with and if we don't like the characteristics, you can't change the change you came with, they just add a little thing that we tell you that the genes turn on and off by themselves. And I go, so what's the relevance of that. And the relevance is clear. We are actually victims of our heredity in that belief system, meaning whatever was passed down, genetically, I'm going to get that. Whether it's heart disease, cancer, diabetes, it's not me. It's my genes, which then gives everybody an escape clause. Oh, it wasn't me. It was my genes that did that.

Jim Fortin: Right.

Bruce Lipton: We're all programmed. I said, well, what does victim mean? And victim means. That's basically the bottom line. It says, I am powerless. I am a victim. But what it also means is I will pay anybody. Who's going to help me get out of this victim stuff. And then unfortunately, since we believe this is a mechanical thing, uh, what most people are looking for some kind of drug or another mechanical lever that I put in there and try to fix things with drugs. So that's called genetics.  The simple point is this disease is under genetic control. That means basically you had nothing to do with it in the genes that breed irresponsibility. It says, I don't know, the genes did that. You know,

Jim Fortin: I don't have to worry about it, right. Because you know what? My family had cancer. My dad had cancer. My grandpa had cancer. I'm going to have cancer too. And that's what you're talking about, the victim.

Bruce Lipton: That's the victim part that says, I have no control over this. The genes are going to do it when they want to. And I have nothing to do with it because the genes turn on and off themselves. So that leads us to the belief of course, that genes are controlling the character of our lives. The belief is, yeah, my life is predetermined by the genes I received at the moment of birth. And therefore, I'm trying, I'm living out a genetic program.

Jim Fortin: Yeah. Yeah. Let me add something here. My brother-in-law's I'd mentioned him as a Shaman and he says, for example, I drive a Porsche and I live in Sedona, and you've been here before. It's where I met you. We don't have a lot of mechanics in town, and we don't have a Porsche mechanic. And he goes, if your car is, it's a fine automobile. And if you need work, you go to Scottsdale and you got a Porsche certified mechanic, but when people get sick, they just go to the regular mechanic, but their car, meaning their body is a Porsche and they just take their body to the mechanic who really can't fix the Porsche to fix the Porsche, the body, you have to go outside of regular mechanics and you have to go to let's use the word, the universe, the divine self, the energy, the quantum field. What's your thought on that.

Bruce Lipton: Well, the basic idea is, is sort of like the mechanics of the car. Look, not that long ago. Uh, we're not that young, both of us, there was a time where we could work on our own cars, adjust the valves, change the spark plugs, do all those things. And then they put a computer in the car and immediately, once the computer was in the car, I lost control. I have no control over it. I can't fix my car. I don't know anything about that damn computer. Well, the point about is this medical people and I was a professor in medical school our program to fix the mechanical aspect of my body. And when it's not working right, the first thing is you look for where's the breakdown in the mechanical part. And then can I replace that mechanical parts, surgery or drugs? I could put that part in there and fix your vehicle. Now we understand. There there's a computer, right in this program. If you don't understand the computer, then fix below the computer, just take a chance on stuff. Okay. Is this, there is a computer that runs this program and if you understood the nature of the computer, well, this is why I can't work in my car. I don't understand the nature of that computer will understand the nature of the computer that is running this body. My vehicle relevance about that is it changes entire game of understanding life. So, we went from genetics where I'm the victim of my heredity to a new science called Epigenetics. Oh, it sounds the same. I go, oh no, this is the revolution a revolution. I say, why? I say, well, first of all, what does that Epi means what did we call skin, epidermis? I said, yeah, but what does that mean? Epi means above. And so, epidermis means above the dermis. Yeah. Underneath the skin is a layer called the dermis. Epidermis means above the dermis. Okay. Now I say this character is under Epi genetic control. And I said, what does that mean? It's control epi-above the genes control above genes, Epi genetic. I got the genes that can control this woo no, no, there there's a controller.

Your Genes Are the Blueprint

Bruce Lipton: I go, okay, let's back off point is this, what is a gene? This is very critical. A gene is a blueprint to make the protein parts of your body, the proteins of the building hundred thousand proteins. You need a pattern to make these proteins. They are very complex. So, a gene is a blueprint to make a protein. And I say, so why is that relevant? I go, you go into an architect's office and she's working on her blueprint. You ask her, you say, hey, is your blueprint on or off? She let me do it. What are you crazy. It's a blueprint there's no, on and off it's a blueprint. Yeah. Precisely the gene is a blueprint. It has no ability to control its own function. There's no such thing as a gene turned on, like the gene made of this no, it's a blueprint. It can't turn on. It can't turn off. But now, now we really have to ask us, who's the architect. Oh, there's an architect that reads the blueprints. I go, yes, I go. Where's that architect, Epigenetics. That architect is above the genes. It's not in the genes. I go. So, what is it? And this is where my research back 50 years ago revealed that the control of genes is not in the genes, it's related to the environment. And I go well, okay. That means, how I respond to the environment is changing my genes. I go, exactly. And then the biggest issue is this, and this is where we're going to come into your work. Jim, that's so profoundly important. And I go, okay, what's controlling my environment. I go, well, the brain is the interpreter of the environment. Ah, interpreter of the environment. In other words, an amoeba lives out here in the environment and is directly affected by what's going on, weather, temperature, you know, all kinds of stuff like that. and I said, yeah, but my cells are inside my body. I go so what They're not connected to the environment My liver cell. Doesn't know what the hell is going on in their environment. Okay. I say, well, but my liver cell has to know what's going on because it has to adjust its function to meet the demands of the environment. So, I said, well, wait, how do my cells in my body know what the heck is going on? I go, the nervous system reads the environment, interprets the environment and sends the control signals to the cells. So, I say, so what does that mean? I say the genes didn't turn on and off. It was your perception of the environment that determined which genes were going to be turned on and off. And I go, well, what's the point of that? I say, Hey, perception. That's just the way you see it. And I say, so all of us came with like glasses that filters to see life. Okay. And we look at that, through that filter and we interpret our lives. So, what I say, well, if you have a distorted filter, then you have a distorted interpretation, right? I say what's the main distortion and the main distortion that we're talking about right now, Jim, and where you're the hero in my book in this regard is that the distortion is the interpretation. Okay. Two people are in the exact same environment, and they see different things. And as a result of seeing different things, they have different signals going to their cells. So where, why do they have different visions? I say, because each consciousness sees what it's looking for.

Jim Fortin: Bruce, let me, let me add here because you've got a lot to say, but let me share something is, um, I had in 2020, I had heart failure, uh, congestive heart failure. And I went to the hospital now. I've never been sick in my life. I didn't know. I didn't know what was going on. And even my brother-in-law's a Shaman is like, I can see, but I could not see that I'm not going to go into why, but he goes, I couldn't see it. I go to the hospital, they say, oh, you're going to be sick for a lifetime. You're going to be this. You're going to take all this. Here's your new diet and blah. This is a lifetime. And they said, okay, now here's your prescription. And Bruce, honestly, I said, you can take your prescription and stuff it up your ass because honestly, I was like, I am not living by their broken model of reality. Now, uh, seven months later, I had a stroke on top of that. And the doctors are like, Ooh, reading the medical books, and this is what's going to happen. And that's what's going to happen. And the night I had the stroke, I couldn't talk two days later I was talking, I was fine. Like nothing happened. It took me some time to fully recover. And then four months later I had COVID on top of that. Now my perception was a whole time is I'm a hundred percent. Well, I can manage everything that happens in my body. Now I tell people when you have trauma broken arm, whatever more accident you go to the doctor, you go to the trauma unit, but otherwise you were the healer of yourself. Is that what you're saying?

Your Brain Is Like a Computer

Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. But if you listen, the brain is a. Yes. Most fabulous computer that we know. Okay. And I go, so what about, I said, well, went to functions like a computer. And what does that mean? I say, let's take a, let's go back to the old days. You go to the store, and you buy a computer and you come home, and you push start, and it boots up, the screen lights up. I go, okay. Now doing something like a spreadsheet, a drawing, and writing an essay. She said, oh no, I can't do it. I said, you got a brand-new computer. Just boot it up. What do you mean first? I have to put programs in a computer, then I can access the programs. Okay. So now we go back, and I say, a child's brain is a computer. It boots up in the last trimester of pregnancy. And I say, so what. It can't do anything until you put a program in it. Right. Well, where do the programs come from? And this is a beautiful part about nature, because I asked you a simple question. How many rules does it take to be a functional member of a family and a functional member of a community? I say thousands of rules to participate. I say, how's an infant going to learn thousands of rules I got. This is where the universe gives us a head start. It says for the first seven years of your life, your brain is primarily in a state of hypnosis called theta. Sure. And the theme is, um, uh, imagination. That's where kids understand the real world. Uh, you know, they pour nothing into the teacup, drink the tea, and then they talk about the greatest tea in the world. I say, imagination, I go that's theta, but theta is hypnosis. I go, oh, I say why is it relevant. I say, you want to get the programs, how to be a member of family, observe your family. Watch your mother, watch your father, watch your siblings and you record their behavior. So, a child's brain under seven is like a video recorder and watches the behavior of the mother, the father, the siblings, and downloads their behavior as that's a source of behavior. Okay. And the same thing, they integrate and participate in the world around them by observing their community, observing the behaviors, downloading the behavior. So, the first thing it says, the programs in your brains, computer, the hard drive. Our programs that didn't even come from you, first of all, serve other people, but by age seven, then the computer ramps up and now we're able to add information so you can type on the keyboard and then engage the programs. Okay. So that's where the conscious mind comes in. Subconscious mind, hard drive programs, downloaded conscious mind, creative type on the keys, what you want. Okay. So bottom line of physics, uh, quantum physics, the most to my perception, the most valid of the sciences is consciousness is creating our reality our mind is controlling this and I go, well, how's that working? Are you creating a heaven on earth that, that, that you would like, because you're the creator of this? I go, not why are we not creating heaven on earth with the Creator. And here's the monkey wrench, the conscious mind, which is typing. Think I go. So, what I say, the conscious mind, the one is looking out the eyes is, imagine your body's a vehicle and you're driving it. When the conscious mind is in control, it's got its hands on the wheels and the conscious mind, its wishes and desires. So, I said, when you're in your unconscious mind, you're driving toward wishes and desires. And I go, but what happens if you're thinking, I go, oh, when you're conscious, you're looking out your eyes. When you're thinking, you're looking in your head. Other words, day today's Tuesday. I asked you what you are doing on Thursday. I bet you, within 30, 40 seconds, you're going to say, oh, I'm doing this. I said, where'd you get that? I said, oh, I thought about it. I said, where's the thought inside? And I said, well, then while you were thinking about it, you weren't looking out the window. Were you? Yeah. And I go, so why is it relevant? I say, well, let's say you're driving the car. And all of a sudden, you're thinking, I said, then that was me. The drivers were looking out the window, driver's looking inside. Oh my God. We're in a lot of trouble. I go, no, the subconscious is autopilot for the conscious is not paying attention to subconscious knows how to do it because our habits talking, walking, doing your job, whatever it is, their habits driving the car, you don't have to have the conscious mind. The subconscious is a million times more powerful. It drives the car better than you do. So, the idea of a little story is, is simple, let's say you and I are in the car and we're driving in. And I started talking to you, Jim, we get so excited talking about, oh my God, the brain, and

Jim Fortin: That's the exit.

Bruce Lipton: And then I look out the window and realize I haven't paid attention to the road for the last five minutes. Now here comes the most important part of that story. Well, Bruce what did you and Jim talk about, and I go, oh, we talked about this and this and this. And then the question is, well, Bruce, what was on the road when you were driving in. I don't know. Yeah. And I go, so why is it relevant? Because when I'm thinking I'm not paying attention to what's going on in the real world at this moment. And I go, no, but here comes the number 95% of the day is the average person's time in thought, well, what does that mean? Well, I say the conscious mind with wishes and desires. It's only working 5% of the day, 95% of the day that the conscious mind is inside thinking about the past, the future. What am I doing? And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And while I'm doing that, I'm playing programs from my subconscious hard drive. Well, I say, well, whose programs are those? I go, my dad, my mom, my family. And I go, oh, well, I will, if those are bad programs, up to 60% are negative disempowering. I said, well, if I was playing God, I'd be aware of it. And I go, no, you won't. I go, why not? Because just as I said, when your mind is engaged thinking or focused on something, then the subconscious kicks in drives a vehicle. According to whatever I downloaded in my seven-year period of download programs, I go significance. I'm the one that doesn't see my own damn program. And I've given the same story, Jim. 30 35 years. But so, when it works right now and his story is this, you have a friend, and you know your friend's behavior and you happen to know your friend's parents. And one day you see your friend has the same behavior as the parents that you got it. You just got it. Hey, Jim, you're just like your dad or you look and you're like,

Jim Fortin: Oh God. I'm like, mom.

Bruce Lipton: yeah, or Dad. That's even harder. Right.

Jim Fortin: Oh my God I'm my mother.

Bruce Lipton: You say that you say that to Bill. Hey, you're just like your dad. I know what Bill's going to say right off. Bill's going to say, how can you compare me to my dad? I'm nothing like my dad and the audience laughs because they're all familiar with it. I said, Jim, this is the most profound story for our audience. And I said, why? Well, everyone could see that Bill behaves like his dad. Who's the one that doesn't. Bill, we'll explain that it goes simple. He observed his dad's behavior in the first seven years downloaded as a program and 95% of the day when he is thinking and not looking out the window and the subconscious autopilot kicks in, he's using the behavior program of his dad and I go, but he's the one that doesn't see it. Why? Because he's thinking at the time, he's like what was on the road when I don't know what my behavior was when I was thinking, I don't know. I'll tell you what it is, whatever the program was that you got. Okay. And I go, so why, why is this relevant? In this regard, we don't observe our behavior. 95% of the day, please don't work. There's a tendency to say, oh, I'm a victim. I woke up this morning today is going to be my best day. I'm going to be healthy. Find a relationship, get a great job. I'm going to do all that today. And then at the end of the day, it didn't work out then they go. Well, it wasn't me. I wanted to be successful. It's them? Is that? I'm a victim. They walk away saying, oh, it's not in my power. And I go, we are all Bill. That's the profound point of the story. We are all playing subconscious programs, 95% of the day. And we were the ones that didn’t see it, relevant relevance. If I have a disempowering program, I downloaded, then I'm playing a disempowering program and what's going to happen is I will be disempowered, but unaware that I even participated.

People Learn They Are Not Responsible for Their Own Health

Jim Fortin: Right.

Bruce Lipton: And this comes back to a question that we started a long time ago, and that is this. You went to the doctor and the doctor gave you a prognosis, right? I say now let's go back to the average person growing up, the average family person, they have a doctor when their mom is sick, she goes to the doctor. When dad's sick, he goes to the doctor, or when you're sick, you go to the doctor. And I say in the first seven years, when you were programmed to go to the doctor with your health issues, what is the result of the program? And the answer is I'm not responsible for my health, that doctor is and whatever the doctor says that becomes my program. And then 95% of the day, I'm going to live the program of the prognosis. I go, well, why is that significant here? And I go, because most of the prognosis is so negative. Like, oh, you're to have this problem I'm going to have this problem. We're going to have this problem. They go, what a coincidence. I had all the problems that the doctor told me, I go, it was not a coincidence. You've been programmed. You accept the doctor's word over your own belief system. Sure. The doctors are professional. What the hell do I know? Right. Doctor says this and it's like, that's true. So, most of us have been programmed to accept the words of the doctor as truth. And I say significance of that is, whatever the doctor says, that becomes my guiding principle.

Jim Fortin: And then who then who controls the doctors economically and, in the world, and the pharmaceutical companies and the ads and the payments to the doctors and here push our drugs, have people take this and this and this, because the backup here, when I was a kid, I learned you have to go to the doctor. And I just didn't. That was never right. For me as a kid, that's not right. And now I'm like, I'll go for trauma, but I ain't gone for everything else that they think I need to be going for, because I could heal that myself.

Bruce Lipton: Absolutely.

Jim Fortin: Action for you.

Bruce Lipton: This is an important point you're making right now, Jim. And that is I go to the doctor for trauma,

Jim Fortin: right?

Bruce Lipton: That's a machine breaking,

Jim Fortin: right?

Bruce Lipton: The surgeon trauma guy's the one that knows how to put the machine back into a sequence.

Cancer Does Not Biologically Run in Families and Genes

Bruce Lipton: But if I go to the doctor because I have cancer, what's the doctor going to do? I go, same old thing I've been doing since 1930. They're going to give you toxic chemo poisoning. They're going to kill your cells with radiation that's the same BS. That means belief system. BS. Since 1930 and they're still doing it. And I go, what's the relevance. And here comes the relevance cancer. 90% of cancer has no hereditary linkage. I go, what does that mean? It's there's no such thing as a cancer gene. That's a false statement. It's a belief system. Oh, the doctor says there's a cancer gene. No because my program says, doctor is the truth, then all of a sudden, I don't question that, oh, I got bad genes. I got bad cells. and if we kill the cells, I won't have cancer. I go, well, that's all again, bunch of BS. Why there is a fact there is no gene that causes cancer. Cancer is a state of disharmony in your life, and you don't have to have it, there's no such thing There's no one gene. I have this gene, I got cancer. I say, there's no gene that does that, but it's a belief system. Then you get somebody like Angelina Jolie, a beautiful young woman. She has a couple of young kids, but her mother died of breast cancer. Her grandmother died and her program in her family was the genes, and the genes cause breast cancer. Here's this beautiful prime of life, beautiful woman. She has a double mastectomy. I'm going to move these breasts and therefore I won't get cancer. I go, well, first of all, that so-called cancer genes, not just in the breast, it's through the uterus and all the reproductive tracks, the ovaries. I say, you can cut the breast off. You're still, that didn't mean anything. But the belief system is if I don't have the breast, I'm not going to get cancer. And the relevance to her decision is that there's a belief that there's something in her that she has no control over. Get rid of the breast and I, I won't have a problem. Uh, and the fact is this, 50% of the women that have that breast cancer gene never get cancer, the significance is having the gene didn't cause cancer, 50 percent of the women that have the gene never got the cancer. So, the gene alone that they call oncogene cancer gene itself. It didn't cause cancer. It's a lifestyle that activates that gene that expresses cancer.

Jim Fortin: Explain there. Lifestyle that causes cancer. What does that mean?

Bruce Lipton: That means that we have learned…there's something called harmony and disharmony. Are we living our lives in harmony with the world around us? And I go, no, we are living our lives on programs that are disconnected from their environment. Oh yeah. Your genes are not connected to the environment, they have nothing to do with the environment. Forgot about the environment. It's your genes. Completely wrong. The genes are switched on by my interpretation of the environment. If I interpret that I'm being stressed and especially like women, uh, what are the consequences? I'll give you right now, consequences of women who are stressed, uh, growing up, especially because of being women.

Jim Fortin: Right?

Bruce Lipton: What can I do? And the idea of consciously says, well, what if I'm not. What if I don't have that woman characteristic, then that I won't get abused. Oh, okay. How about no breasts? Well, that's a good start. You know, significance then is what happens is that women don't want to be that way. They don't want to be bothered. They don't want, I mean, because that's right. Our whole world there it's over. It's bad. Okay. The amount of abuse women gets, especially the physical abuse. A lot of them become overweight. I know is that genetic obesity. I know it's protection. The visual of the mind was if I'm not attractive, they won't bother me. Right. I lost my breasts. I gained weight. I do all these things and I go, what? Now I feel safe in my subconscious program, which. Being a woman is opening me up to violence and abuse and I go, so what are these issues? Obesity, cancer, and all that. And I go, they're not genetic. That is a protection mechanism based on our psychology that says, because I'm a woman, I am unsafe to be safe. Disguise me as somebody who nobody wants in this world. And I go, this is the issue. Breast cancer is not due to a gene. There's no gene that you got this gene, you got breast cancer. As I said, the most virulent of those genes, the BRC gene, 50% of the women have that gene, but never got the cancer. You have to stop right there and say, well, how did that happen? And the answer is because the gene didn't cost cancer.

Jim Fortin: Yeah. Yeah. I've been a hypnotist for a lot of years. I teach hypnosis to my students and all this, and I tell people that many times when a woman is raped, many times after she'll put weight on. And the reason why is that subconscious isolation and protection. Oh, now no one wants me. No one will rape me. No one will harm me, but I go back to you, look at a person who is world famous and she can't lose weight. Well, she can, but she can't, you don't want to say can't, you know what I mean? Oprah Winfrey. And she was raped when she was a kid. And so, she's going to all these trainers and the best experts in the world. And no matter what she keeps putting the weight back on, because at a deep unconscious level, that is her isolation and protection to keep her overweight. Your thoughts on that.

Bruce Lipton: That's exactly what the whole story was. Nobody's treating her consciously as they want to body. How can I get less fast? I was, well, go do this exercise, eat this diet and go. And I said, that's not relevant. What's relevant is what is the mind wanting to do with the body to look at the world of protection outside? And if you don't go back and fix that mind, Then you're always in need of protection. I don't care what drugs you take, what diet you're on. That's not where the problem came from. It's not a mechanical, physical defect. It's a conscious issue we have to deal with right here. Uh, and this, this is the big issue is that, well, you can throw all the damn medicine you want at this, but it doesn't necessarily work.

Jim Fortin: It won't fix them, well, let me, let me go there for a second. When I had heart failure, the doctors put me on beta blockers. My brother-in-law's like, we're going to get you off all that stuff. And trust me, it was, it was challenging, but I went through some, a hell to get off the meds. Yes. And I mean, not because of the meds, but because of the things he put me through to heal the body at a very profound level. And he, I did some research, extensive and doctors. The first thing they do is recommend beta blockers. When you have heart attack and

Bruce Lipton: Where do they get that from

Jim Fortin: Well, hang on. I don't know. I don't know, but I read beta blockers don't even work.

Bruce Lipton: No, I was a professor in a medical school and when I would make a statement, this is true. I've got a hundred, some students out there, all medical students. And I just make a statement. If one of those students even ask me a question, dares the ask, this is not like dad asking me a question in the middle of my lecture. All the other students will look at them and glare like shut up, take notes. Just listen. Don't say anything. Medical school. I go so why is this relevant I make a statement. Actually, look, when I was teaching them back in the late seventies, there was a whole different understanding of, of cell biology than I'm teaching today. Cause we didn't have it. So, what did I teach them? Oh, genes control life. I go. So why is that relevant medical students download that stuff? It’s like a concrete believe system and it says, don’t challenge me. Like that's what the point was in the lecture. Don't ask the professor a question, take notes. And this is how you train a medical student.

Doctors Are Not the Smartest Healers

Bruce Lipton: This is why there's a problem because a lot of people think, oh, medical students are the smartest and brightest students in the school. I can tell you what they are. They are most proficient at rote memorization. Meaning I give them a thousand facts. They gave me back 90% of them. Oh, now you're a medical student. If you're a thinking person, you want to get that score. And I say, why? Because your mind will start to look at different understandings and try to put them into the world. And we didn't want that in medical school. Here's what we said you do. And then a medical student graduates and guess what? Now they have got to live by the law of what we said that they do, because if they go off that boundary. That's when they can lose their license, you know? Oh, COVID you could do something with Ivermectin. No, no, no. You get Ivermectin we're going to take away your license and I go, who's controlling this. And now the answer, unfortunately, which I've known for years, because I've been in that medical school. It's the pharmaceutical industry.

Jim Fortin: Exactly. Well, Bruce then what happens because I have a lot of students that have taught at Harvard and teach in Harvard. Then they get in the system, and they become doctors and they have kids, and their kids go to college. And now they're financially dependent on the system. They can't get out of it. And then many are just miserable with their lives because they're tired of being, they, they went to medical school to be a healer and their practitioners, all they do is prescribe based upon a diagnosis. And they're never a healer.

Bruce Lipton: Right.

Jim Fortin: I promise myself I would not go here, but I know myself. I love to rattle the cage. Man. If I can rattle the cage, I will. You mentioned it So let's go there and go wherever you want to go. It's a free license. COVID. Okay.

Bruce Lipton: Oh, what BS story that is, you know, I say why? Because the first thing they did was scare people.

Your Body's Response to Fear

Bruce Lipton: Yeah, we go, why is that important? Because when you are afraid, you give up your power to the one you think has the power. And all of a sudden, I say, so what does that make me? I'm back to being a victim again. Holy crap. COVID is here. I'm going to die. Right? Millions. It said day one, millions of people are going to die with this. And I go, you know, there's a flu every year and they say, oh, get your flu shot. And most everybody goes, yeah. Yeah. And they don't get the flu shot. And some people get the flu and people die. Okay. That happens. But I go, so what's the significance here? And the answer is on a regular year. It's flu season, so fine. I'm not going to get the shot. What the hell do I care this year? This flu is going to kill millions of you. The moment I heard that it was like oh, this is a friend, right? Wow. I said, well, wow. I gotta be afraid. I go, oh Jesus, let me, let me, let me start with this one. Let's give a reason here. Why does fear have anything to do with it? And it goes like this. The fear response started thousands and thousands of years ago, I said, what did you fear back? A hundred thousand years ago, I got a saber tooth tiger. Right? If it chases me catches me, I'm food. So, guess what? I'm afraid of saber tooth tiger. So, I say, what happens if you're one of those guys out there in the field 100,000 years ago and the saber tooth tiger shows up and says, what are you going to do? I say, run like hell and climb that tree. And I go, okay, you're ready. This is, there's a reason here. And this is why it's so cool. Fear puts me in a fight or flight. Right, right. Okay. I got to protect myself. I say, what organs are the primary organs in use in a fear response. Arms and legs. Get the hell out of here. Protect get me ready. Okay. So, I say, so that in a state of fear, the organs that are required the most at this time are the activity of the arms and legs. And now comes the, this is the part where does the energy come from to activate those arms and legs? I go, the blood is carrying energy. I go, so what, and I say, when you're in a state of fear, you put the blood into the system, you need to protect yourself. I go, where's those arms and legs. And here's the out of the textbook. The blood is preferentially sent to the arms and legs in a state of fear, preferentially, where the hell was the blood before it was preferentially in my arms and legs. I go, the only other thing is the viscera, the gut. And I go and I go, what's the function of the gut. Maintenance of the body growth of the body, cleaning, fixing, repairing, taking care of your physical machine. I say the energy of the blood is what powers all that. And then I say, yeah, but the saber tooth tiger is chasing me. What the hell do I care about taking care of my visceral right now? I got, I got to run. So, here's the point, stress hormones shut down the blood vessels in the gut by causing on the squeeze shut. And I said, so what does that mean? I said, well, when the blood vessels in the gut squeeze shut, then the blood is preferentially sent to the arms and legs. So, the first thing that happens in a fear, stress response is that the stress hormones. Cause the blood vessels in the gut constrict something, we feel it it's called butterflies in the stomach queasy. I said, what's queasy. I said, the blood vessels are going like this, closing off, pushing the blood to the outside. So, I say, first thing is this. You shut down the growth of maintenance of the body when you're in fear. And I go, yep. What else do I need to do to conserve energy? So run away from that tiger. And I said, well, one of the biggest energy users in the body's immune system, I go, what do you mean? I said, well, if you've ever been sick, you probably didn't even have the energy to get out of bed because the wound system uses a lot of energy. So now I put up the point, there's a saber tooth tiger chasing me. And I have a bacterial infection. I could get a bad case of diarrhea. Okay. And I go, how do I distribute the energy? How much should I put in the runaway from that tiger? And how much should I stop the diarrhea? And the answer is the hell would the immune system, why the tiger catches you? The bacteria, not your problem anymore. That's not your problem. Okay. So, here's the most important point again, that outside the first one, you shut down your growth and maintenance of the body. As the blood goes peripherally. And I say, stress hormones shut off the immune system. Why I don't need to have protection on the inside of the damn tiger behind me is going to eat me okay. So, it's so valuable. This, this is how valuable it is when doctors want to transplant an organ from person a and a person b. If you put the foreign organ in the person, their immune system is going to actively try to reject it. It's four. Right? So, what do they do? They give the recipient stress hormones before the operation inhibits the function of the immune system and protects the foreign graph. I go, my God, the stress hormones are so effective at controlling the immune system that it's used therapeutically to control the immune system. So now I got two points. I'm being chased by a tiger. I shut down the growth and maintenance of my body. I shut down my immune system and here's a third. I was like this when I called it an insult to injury. Cause you've already done two injurious things by shutting down growth in immune. The third one is this remember I said, stress hormones in the body, squeeze the blood vessels, shut pushing the blood to the outside. It turns out the stress hormones. When they're in the brain, the blood vessels in the forebrain conscious part of the brain right behind your forebrain. Right here, right here. They caused the blood vessels to squeeze shut. I go, why? What does that do? I say it pushes the blood preferentially to the hindbrain where reflex reaction occurs. No thinking. Boom. Okay. So, I say so now let's put the pieces together. I get afraid of something. Oh. I started to shut down my growth and maintenance of the body. I shut down my immune system cause I'm getting ready to run. And when I get ready to run, I'm not going to think why thinking it's so slow. I won't reflect boom. I need to go. So basically that. One stress hormone in my body. They shut down all these systems, consciousness, immune system, and growth. I go, yeah. But then go back to when the system evolved, I said, when was that saber tooth tiger? I go, then what I said, hey, if you got away from that tiger, 10 minutes later, you're back into growth again, I don't need any more stress hormones. So, stress was only used for a very short limited of time. But during that limited time, there's a compromise by shutting down growth immune system and consciousness. And then I say, and what about today? And I go, well, that's where the damn problem comes in because the stress hormones are 24/7, 365.

Jim Fortin: Let's go there. So, I say the tiger I'm turning or two with the tiger is the mainstream media, which makes money off being the tiger government narratives. And then families who don't know any differently and people who follow those narratives. You tell everyone else in the family, you have to get vaccinated. So, the tiger is actually the hypnotize masses from the media and the government narratives that actually weaken the immune systems and keep people sicker, which fear, e.

Bruce Lipton: Fear, that's how it was sold. It was sold as fear you're gonna die. Millions of millions of people are going to die. I go look every year, millions of people die from the flu, but nobody says anything, but this year now extra millions are going to die. And all of a sudden that means, wait a minute, I might be one of those millions. And now that flu scares me. It didn't scare me last year when it was regular winter flu. But this year I'm afraid. So, the first thing that happened was my immune system started to shut down. I go, well, there's a problem with the damn flu. If your immune system isn't working, you are a victim of this.

Jim Fortin: Then I got sick because my immune system shut down. Right. Well, I get what I wouldn't have got first place.

Bruce Lipton: Yeah. But now here comes the issue about it is, well, we have this vaccine I go. And how good is your vaccine? I go, it's no F I was going to say bad word. It's no good. I go, why not? Because it's the vaccinated people that have Delta, it's the vaccinated people. They get Omicron. It's the vaccinated people that end up with more. I said, well, wait, they all got back to his go. They don't understand this. The virus has these little spike proteins in it. That's where the problem comes from the spike that binds to the cell. So, they said, oh yeah, but we can make antibodies against the spike so that if we make antibodies against the spike, then the virus won't affect you. And I go, that's true. Now I only have one problem. Antibodies are so specific to their target that when they're tuned to bind that target, they will not bind to anything. Other than that, the target there is a lock-in key. An antibody is a lock and key. So specific to that spike protein that goes then what? And I go, when people get the virus. The biological system that's involved, uh, controlled by this virus will make variations on it. I go, why? Because if there are variations and there are versions that the immune system won't see. So, if I changed the spike, they meet the vaccine you made for this spike. That's useless because there's a different spike and all of a sudden that key doesn't fit. And then they say, well, but get boosters. It didn't work the first time. Why would I get a booster? It didn't work. It does not work. The best immune response to COVID is get the damn COVID when you say we haven't, I'm going to die. And I go, not the average person, the persons who have problems. And this is a fact of the research. Are people with co-morbidities. These are challenges to the immune system before the virus showed up. They were already weakened before the virus showed up.

Jim Fortin: Bruce, hang on. I had co-morbidity. I mean, I had heart failure and a stroke prior, and I'm like, when I got, when I got the, when I got COVID I'm like wrong, I'm going to pull, this is going to be fine. It's just that I got a bad flu. I will be fine next week. Keep on going.

Bruce Lipton: And that, and that's the fact that people don't understand that yes, there are going to, people are going to get very sick. And I say, who are those people? The average person, I say, not the average person, the person who was compromised, who were they? Well, firstly, the very old people in nursing homes. Why are they in nursing homes? They're already getting feeble in their biology, and they need support. So, they were weak before they even started, I said, who else? Well, 78% of the serious cases are people who were obese because obesity challenges the system and then included in that. Then there were people with diabetes type two, which is a response to the environment, not genetics, it's okay. And what else? I say people with high stress jobs. Okay. Or people like yourself that had heart conditions. All of those are called comorbidities. Now what's interesting is how's America doing? I go 60% of America, six out of 10 Americans have one comorbidity, but here comes the number. 40% four out of every 10 people have between two and three simultaneous comorbidities. I say what's relevant. They are weak before the damn game even started already challenged. That's not the virus. The virus just pushes them over the edge because their system wasn't working in function anyway. And then you want to blame the virus. And this is how they changed the statistics. They changed the statistics, the fit, the story, like how many people are dying from COVID. Well, according to the US Bureau of Statistics and listen to this, they said, if the person has been tested and has COVID, then that's the primary cause of disease. Even if they came in because of a car accident, even if they came in with cancer, even if they came in with heart disease, that if they died with the COVID. Then the source of death was COVID not the car accident where you were all broken up, but you had COVID in the car accident that killed you. And then here comes the part that now I was going to say bad words again, cause this irritating,

Jim Fortin: I get it. I get it.

Bruce Lipton: Not only, not only does a doctor sign, but a death certificate also that they have COVID if the test proves that, and then COVID is automatically listed as the cause of matter what the hell it was. But they also said this in the statistics. Well, you can prove COVID with a test or listen to this. If the doctor believes you had COVID then the death certificate must say COVID cause of death. I mean, if the doctor believes you go back, what the hell is that all about the numbers of deaths associated with COVID boom, jump way. The hell up. I say, yeah. Well, what about all the cancer people? Oh no, no, no. They had COVID so they didn't die from cancer. They died from COVID. So, cancer stats went down, heart disease, stat of death went down. Why? Because they were now catalog as COVID death because of belief that COVID or they had COVID primary cost, which raises that death level to the fear zone that says be afraid everybody's going to die from, I see a belief system, the belief system I'm afraid. I go, what happens when your friend said, oh, he's just shut off the immune system folks. So, there you go right away. There's a problem right there. And the issue is COVID is hardly more lethal than a standard flu, except for the fear base that knocks out the immune system weakens us. And of course, four out of 10 people with comorbidities there, right? Uh, the virus is like, um, they always just say, wolves are, you know, the problem. And they go out and kill everything, the wolves, and they, then he studied them. They found no; the wolves only killed the weakest ones. The wolves can't kill the strong ones. I go, well, functionally reason is this. If a Wolf is going to chase an animal, you don't chase the strongest one because you're going to have the least probability of catching it still one who is weakest. And so, what is the Wolf doing? Calling the herd of the week elements to strengthen them. Yeah. And what about COVID? I said that's a Wolf for humans. That those that have a problem were already compromised before the damn thing there, but then you blamed it on the COVID and didn't take any responsibility for the comorbidities that were actually the cause of the problem. So, this is a hyper solution worked out by the pharmaceutical industry. I love it. Get your free shot. I go. What in the hell did that become a free shot? Where did the trillions of dollars of pharmaceutical companies earn?

Jim Fortin: government?

Bruce Lipton: Where'd they go? Yeah. Well then who gave the government the money I gave them the money. Don't tell me it's a free shot. I paid for this damn shot.

Jim Fortin: And yeah, some people would say, I don't want myself on, I paid for other people to have it because they're in their fear because of the way they choose to live their life.

Bruce Lipton: That's it. And the idea about is this. If you have a co-morbidity, it's your responsibility to take care of your health, because you are already weakened, you gonna wear the mask, you gotta stay isolated because you're going to protect yourself. I don't have comorbidity. Am I afraid? No, I got COVID. So, I had a lousy week. All right. I got a hell of an immune system because the vaccine makes an antibody against one target on the virus, getting the virus itself and having the experience. Your immune system will make 30 different types of antibodies against the virus. 30 different places where the immune system will recognize it and kill it. The vaccine one place I go having a vaccine is especially the vaccine against the original version, because the variance Delta Omicron, more whatever whatever's next. And they're not affected by the damn vaccine because the vaccine doesn't recognize the alteration to that spike. And all of a sudden, what's the use of the vaccine placebo. I feel better because I got the vaccine. I go that vaccine doesn't help your countries like Gibratar as an example, hundred percent vaccinated and Delta swarm right through that country. And it blames it on the unvaccinated go. No, everybody is, you know, the, the, the vaccine and never, oh God, let me just say this again. Why is it so important? The original understanding of the vaccine in the information provided by the drug companies as what is the meaning of this vaccine. It only helps those people who are serious, you know, have a serious concern in a hospital. I said, what about a person that doesn't have this area? The vaccine doesn't help you. It does not prevent you from getting COVID and it doesn't prevent you from spreading COVID. So, there's this BS going out there that, oh my God, that person is vaccinated. They're going to cut us all. I go, you could be vaccinated or not vaccinated. You are still the same susceptibility to that virus, regardless of your vaccine status white, the vaccine does not work.

Jim Fortin: Yeah, no, I, when it, when this happened, I kind of giggled at it to some degree and I'm not, uh, hopefully I'm not judging, but everyone, the masses run for give me a vaccine. What you don't see happening is the same mass rush of people telling me, how do I heal myself? How do I strengthen my body? How do I strengthen my immune system? How do I make myself stronger? You don't see that.

Bruce Lipton: No, because that would be taking care of your personal health and giving up your health control the doctor's the one that controls your health, correct? If You start taking care of your own health then who's paying and the doctor about it as, oh, we'll never do they. And you're right. When they talk about all the different things you can do about COVID near the end, if they do mention it, is “take care of your health”. Eat Well, exercise, do these important parts of taking care of your health. And they put at the end, oh, the mask the vaccine the social distance, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And at the very end, if they mentioned it at the very end is, oh, and take care of your health. I go upside down backwards. First you take care of your health and then you have no problem with COVID.

Jim Fortin: Yeah, no, I don't know if you are travelling now. And I don't, I don't like to travel. I live in Sedona. I was on a flight last year and they tell you on there, I fly first, but I got stuck in the back because the flight was full and they say, when you leave, the plane keeps six feet of distance between you and the person, the hell you're sitting next to each other, like sardines on their plane.

Bruce Lipton: I know I've seen the pictures of people waiting at the ticket line, all six feet apart, and then it will, the picture of everybody's sitting cramp three in a row,

Jim Fortin: pile you in.

Bruce Lipton: What the hell is that all about?

Jim Fortin: I know.

Bruce Lipton: just the belief system. You're afraid. And you'll buy the damn story. And the story is not supporting you. It's supporting a pharmaceutical agency, which has manipulated this in the very first place, correct? Nothing with the FDA is in bed with the pharmaceutical companies. And if anybody has a question about that, there was a great show on Hulu and the network Hulu, uh, and it's called dope, sick one word, dope, sick, one word. And it's the story of Oxycontin. And I go, what's the story. It's a true story. I go. So, yeah, but what's the story. The drug companies pay the damn people in the FDA to make, to support the drug company. That's all of a sudden, the idea you say the FDA there, they're taking care of me. I say, no, they're taking care of themselves. They're getting paid. To say what they say to support somebody. And the Oxycontin story was a clear one. How the drug FDA changed the definition, uh, of Oxycontin till it wasn't addictive. Well, it is addictive, and they just changed the wording. So, it sounded like it wasn't then that way everybody could get the prescription. Oh, it's not addictive. You see, there I go. So that's a story. The FDA made up in conjunction with the pharmaceutical company.

Jim Fortin: It's human corruption for money. Bottom line is exactly what it is, which has lower human consciousness.

Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. And you know, while we're at its Jim, it's just basically, this is that we are in a state in the world today. Because of the programming of our victim, our role is that we are trying to protect ourselves by giving money and activities to these other agencies and not trusting who the hell we are. I say, you're the same person. I can walk across the hot coals, but you have to have your consciousness to do it right. The middle of that walk and say, can I do this? Boom, you just burned yourself right there.

Jim Fortin: Right.

Bruce Lipton: Only consciousness. And just even emphasize even bigger. Cause, um, uh, I met this videographer who was down south, and he was, uh, filming, uh, um, fundamentalist religious groups, getting into a religious ecstasy where they speak in toddler. Some of are called snake handlers and they play with things, but the really cool ones, they drink strychnine, poison and toxic doses to show that God protects them. Well, God protects them. Is there a belief system? Okay. They drank damn poison. And don't have the harmful effects of the poison. It's like, holy crap,

Jim Fortin: Wait, disclaimer, no one listening, drink strychnine poison, or any of that? I'm just saying that you're just giving me an example.

Bruce Lipton: Yeah, it is an example, and it was, I have the video tape. The guy gave me a copy of the video tape that I use in some of my lectures. And I go, these people are drinking poison, but their consciousness is not accepted as poison their consciousness said, God protects me so I can do the stupid things, like play with the rattlesnakes or drink the strychnine and not have an effect. And I go, that might not be your best plan to go and follow those fundamentalists. But it is, it is it’s a definition. It's an experience showing. Poison only affects me if my consciousness allows it, the fact me, and then I go back and because we should have started with this, maybe the most valid science, according to mind, you know, looking at the sciences and I'm in is quantum physics. I go, I go principle, number one, principle. Number one, consciousness is creating our life experience,

Jim Fortin: Double slit experiment.

Bruce Lipton: That started with that and went on and says how you look at it, determines the outcome and how you look at it as how you perceive it. And your perception is manifesting this. Uh, and the significance is if I can disempower you by telling you, you have no control. Who do you think you are?

Jim Fortin: I control you now.

Bruce Lipton: So, so the point. We have been programmed to lose power so that you could walk across hot coals, drink, trig, strychnine, poison. Uh, one of the earliest examples was, uh, I forgot what disease it was all of a sudden it was a disease back a long time ago. Uh, and, and it was based on some toxins, you know, some toxin and some guys say it's not toxin, and he drinks, it, he drinks, uh, you know, the toxin, the bad stuff.

Jim Fortin: Yeah.

Bruce Lipton: And he has no harmful effects. And then, uh, they sidestepped it by saying, well, regardless, we don't know why, but the toxin is the toxin and it's toxic. And so, they ignored this guy, but he showed them in his mind. It wasn't toxic. And he drank it just like the strip 9. And he had no adverse effects and medicine could not buy the story. They had to say, well, there's some other thing we're not seeing. That's why he was safe. And the guy was like, well, it didn't fit your story. That's where the problem comes from. And today we're changing the story and your work to me is vitally important to everybody in your community. For this reason, Jim is a story in the, in the, the mind, especially the subconscious mind.

Jim Fortin: Absolutely. Bruce, let me go there really quick. And then we'll wrap up and tell people how to find out more about you and what you're doing. I would give anything if I kept it, I don't have it. 20 years ago, I saw a BBC documentary on hypnosis power of the mind. I’m a Hypnotist for a lot of years. And in this series, they had somebody undergoing open heart surgery with no anesthesia.

Bruce Lipton: Yes,

Jim Fortin: No chemical in the body. They did it with the, let's call it the power of the mind.

Bruce Lipton: Absolutely.

Jim Fortin: And that's the power that we have. And you're talking about the same thing right here. Just a different application.

Bruce Lipton: Well, exactly. But again, your power is based on your belief system. If You believe that doctor is truth provider, which is what we got programmed to believe. Then whatever that doctor said, it becomes your truth and your life experience. They say you're going to die in three months. We'll then get ready because you're going to have been programmed to buy it, and you're going to die in approximately three months. Turns out how many people were supposedly going to die of a cancer in three months, they died. And then when they did the autopsy, they didn't have enough cancer to kill them. Yeah. But the belief system, and that's the underrated story of the world. It's our belief system that's creating this. And if you're not creating what you want is because your belief system has been distorted by whatever learning or life experiences you had.

Jim Fortin: I'm looking for your book, biology of belief,

Bruce Lipton: Biology of belief.

Jim Fortin: Yeah. So really quick, tell people what that's about and then what you're doing and how they can find you.

Bruce Lipton: Well, biology belief is the understanding of the mechanics of the science that you misunderstood from your growing up period, where you were taught that genes control life. And it turns out no, they don't its consciousness, that controls life. So, the whole story starts with the experiments to show that genes don't control life, that, uh, whatever the secretions of our brain, the chemistry of our brain is a translation of the pictures that we hold. That, that chemistry that comes from those pictures is the chemistry that shapes us. And I say, relevance or change the picture in your mind. And you change the chemistry that goes to the controls, the cells,

Jim Fortin: neuroplasticity

Bruce Lipton: neuroplasticity, and also to recognize a, you have been programmed the movie, the matrix, people say science fiction. I go, no, it's a documentary. Yeah, everybody's been programmed. But I love this part because in the movie there was an option to take the red pill and get out of the program. And I said, well, what happens when you get out of the program, then I have to turn around to the audience and say, most of you have taken the red pill and didn't even know it. And I said, well, it wasn't. I say, when you fell in love and you experience what it's called the honeymoon effect, that mean, I say, your life was blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Every day until you met this person and then 24 hours later, you have a whole, oh my God. Life is so beautiful. The music, the food, so beautiful. I go, wait, it was blah, blah, blah. And then 24 hours. It's beautiful. I go, because it's recognized by. Falling in love keeps you mindful, keeps you in the present. And I say, well, what's relevant? I said, well, how come we're playing the programs? And I say, because our consciousness is thinking, I say, yeah, but what if you've stopped thinking? And I say, then the consciousness stays in control. What's the consciousness wishes and desires. I say, the moment you fall in love you stop thinking. I go, well, if that person you've been looking for your whole life, is there, what the hell do you want to think? Because that takes you out. Keep your present. Love keeps you present. Love is a red pill. Love can change your life in 24 hours. Unfortunately, you'll start thinking again, down the line. And once you start thinking, then your behavior is not coming from your wishes and desires. That's where the conscious mind is. Once you start thinking your life is now back to the program again in the honeymoon goes away. There was a point that says, yeah, your beliefs control your life. And they control them because you're thinking 95% of the day and the beliefs didn't come from you. They came from observing other people. So, they're not your beliefs, but they're going to control you. And then you fall in love, you stop thinking. And all of a sudden, now you're manifesting from wishes and desires. Conscious mind. I go, look what you did. You made heaven on earth. I go, heaven on earth was always here. What happens is you can experience it for the average person because you're not coming from wishes and desires. You're coming from program. And, and this is why your work then for me, becomes so critical. It says, can I change the program? Yes. Yes. When you change the program, you take control back over your life. And this is why the special work you're doing transformation and helping people get out of, uh, uh, limiting disability of the, a bad program in the subconscious mind. I reprogrammed his subconscious mind. I reprogrammed my life. I go, that's it. That's the game.

Jim Fortin: Let me ask you the question. Final question here is I offered you and I, I live from service. I offered you $5,000 to be in this interview when I met you. And you said no. And I even asked Anna, your assistant. What can I do? I mean, I'm offering them. I offer it again. I will, I'll pay $5,000 to interview Bruce. And you said, no, I would've said no when I'm as well-known as you are. I would still say no. How come you said no. ‘

Bruce Lipton: Because uh, knowledge. It's just knowledge. I'm not physically fixing your car and putting a new carburetor on or anything like that. I'm just talking here and

Jim Fortin: I know your time and your expertise and years of training and, and teaching in medical school. I mean, there's value in that. I understand.

Bruce Lipton: But if, look, if I'm living in heaven on earth, which I have been for the last 20 years or more because I changed the programming that you work with. Other people about, I changed that programming and I say, so what's good is, and I say, if everyone around me is living the same as I'm living, creating heaven on earth, then earth, it becomes heaven. And every person who's not doing that, if he can help them do it, it enhances the power of that field. That vibration, that energy, that consciousness, the more people that become conscious, the more powerful we are as people, the more this planet goes into the red pill state. And that's when we start to create what we want. Because bottom line we started with quantum physics, uh, consciousness is creating this experience and the ideas. And why would we want to create this crap. We have a garden. We came from a garden and our consciousness. We stepped all over that garden and destroyed the garden. And the idea is, well, then it is a garden, a bad place. I go, no, it's us. We're doing this. You get your power back. You are unconscious. Remember when you're thinking the program is playing and you're not paying attention, you’re unconscious like Bill of the behavior. If we all got consciousness, then you'd wake up every day and say, oh my God, we're in heaven. And to me, this is so critical because everyone thinks well, when you die, if you're really good, you go to heaven. I go, no, when you're alive, you're here. You manifest what is heaven? That's a manifestation. Jim. Tell me what your vision of heaven is. And then I asked somebody else. I said, oh, guess what? All kinds of different visions. I guess where you can have all the different visions right here. We're creating it right here. And of course, I came from the conventional world in medical school and all that other crap to get out of it. After the research revealed that what I was teaching was disempowering to the people. Yeah. I said, no, I can't do that. I, you know, can't do it. I want people to wake up because I've done it. And I'm just me who realized at some point the mechanics of it that said, wait, I'm manifesting this. So, I must be responsible for manifesting the bad as well as manifesting the good.

Jim Fortin: That's responsibility.

Bruce Lipton: And that's hard work for most people because they don't want to have responsibility. Yeah. And I go, well, then what I said, well, then you're a victim because if you can't say you have power, then by definition you say I'm powerless. I'm going to see many people. I've been programmed to be powerless when we are creators.

Jim Fortin: Yeah. Bruce, where can we find out more about you?

Bruce Lipton: So simple, Lots of Articles, lots of videos, lots of interviews, podcasts, all of that freely downloadable from that website. So, the stuff we're talking about, uh, there's a whole resource of information on Bruce

Jim Fortin: And YouTube. You've got quite a few videos on your channel.

Bruce Lipton: YouTube channel I have a whole channel. I got some fun videos. I think they're fun. We create a look. Humor is the best way of teaching.

Jim Fortin: Yeah. It's how we learn.

Bruce Lipton: It's called edutainment uh, we make videos here, edutaining videos. Because Teaching through fun is more effective than teaching through fear.

Jim Fortin: Exactly. Bruce, I honor you, I honor the work you do. Please. Let me know how I can serve you in any way. And thank you for, for being here and sharing and bringing your presence today. I'm very, very grateful for that.

Bruce Lipton: I am very grateful for you out there because as I said, the way we change is individual. We each have to make a change. A lot of people cannot do this without a coach. They just cannot. It's like, oh, I do that. And I go with a coach who can help you and you are one of the superb coaches that can help people because when you help them, you help me. When everyone around you is living like, oh my God, I could create heaven on earth. And my vision of heaven on earth is very expansive.

Jim Fortin: High tide raises all ships. I sent you a hug.

Bruce Lipton: I so appreciate you Jim, for what you're doing, because that's where the world is going to change. Not through pharmaceuticals, man. It's going to change through consciousness and therefore really appreciate your work. And I appreciate you letting me be on this podcast to help you and your audience even get more grounded jump into, okay, let's work on that conscious and actually subconscious work on that programming because I want my life. And I said, I came from blah, blah, blah, life. I even wrote a book called “The Honeymoon Effect”. Why? I couldn't get a relationship off the ground for over 40 years. Why? Because where did I get my relationship programming from my mom and dad? I go, well, that's a crap couple and required to, and yet I downloaded their behavior and re and kept manifesting the same problems that they had. But like Bill not seeing that I did it. But once becoming aware that it's a weight change, that subconscious, like the work you do, I rewrote it. And now I've been on a honeymoon with Margaret for 25 years. Why? It was a change of belief. I didn't change the world. Change the belief in here. The world changed with me.

Jim Fortin: Take her to dinner. Enjoy a nice dinner. We'll cross paths again. Thank you again, Bruce. Uh, get my,

Bruce Lipton: I so appreciate it. And I especially appreciate our audience because those are really cultural creatives that are saying. I need to get out of this box because the answers are not on this box side. And I honored them for taking the time to say, give me an alternative thing because it's not working.

Jim Fortin: I agree. All right. My brother is well, have a great day. I'll see you later. Okay.

Bruce Lipton: Thank you so much, Jim. Thank you very much. My friend take care.

Jim Fortin: Bye-bye.

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