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You're listening to the Transform your Life from the Inside Out podcast. This episode is an interview episode we've done several as you know, this is with another one of my students. His name is Jason, and the title of this episode is Transforming Your Identity to Create the Life That You Desire. Jason and I have a really, actually easy-going chill dot conversation about personal growth and identity transformation. And we talk about how his identity growth and transformation have enabled him to make some significant and very positive changes in his life. Now I know Jason personally, obviously, because I've coached him and known him now for a couple of years. Jason I'm just going to share comes across as a little bit detached on our time together. But what I want to share is he's not attached to me. He's actually more connected to himself and that's why he's so peaceful and calm and focused because he knows what he's wanting to create in life. And more than anything. He's really learned to know himself and focus on his higher states of being and his higher self. So, some of the things we talk about. We talk about the struggle of living externally. You know, career finances and all that mumbo jumbo, that many people place their entire value upon. We talk about the feelings of needing to financially provide. And we also talk about something you've heard other people talk about. Staying in an unfulfilling marriage as you'll hear Jason say. And you've heard other people say this. His divorce left him in a place where he had to completely start over again. And then that created a lot of fear in him. Because he had to completely rebuild his finances and create stability in his life again.

One of the things I like about our talk is that Jason talks about separating his external identity from his true self. And that is a powerful message and that's what I talk about a lot, even if I don't say it in that way. And that's something that we all need to focus on. I think, in my opinion, is letting go of the externals. We have them, they're nice but letting go with them and focusing on our higher self. And our true self and the true nature from within us. And then true to the title of this episode we talk about quite literally breaking free of limiting identities. See who you think you are? Subconsciously can literally be your biggest asset but it can also be your biggest liability. And for many people, it's their biggest liability. If you don't have what you want in life that's coming, not from the external world. That's coming from your identity at a subconscious core level. And until you change that things will not change in your life no matter how much you want them to change So listen to Jason's story, let it inspire you and enjoy the episode. I'm glad you're here.

Hi, I am Jim Fortin, and you're about to start Transforming your Life from the Inside Out. With this podcast, I'm widely considered the leader in Subconscious Transformation, and I've coached super achievers all around the world for over 25 years. Here you're going to find no rah motivation and no hype, because this podcast is a combination of Brain Science, Transformational Psychology and Ancient Wisdom all rolled into one, to take your life to levels you've never thought possible. If you're wanting a lot more in life to feel better, to heal, to have peace of mind, to feel powerful and alive, and to bring more abundance and prosperity into your life, then this podcast is for you because you're going to start learning how to master your mind and evolve your consciousness. And when you do that, anything you want then becomes possible for you I'm glad you're here.

Jim Fortin: Okay. So, we're sitting here visiting Jason. Jason's a former student, former T C Per and Inner Circle. So, thank you for being here Jason, we wanna talk about. A lot of different things, mainly about transformation and things that have happened in your life, things that you've managed, and basically sharing tools with people that are listening. So, welcome Jason.

Jason Mefford: Thank you Jim. And I think to start off too, I want to, because I know you don't like public adoration, so I'm gonna give it to you, but alright. So, take it man. Take it.

Jim Fortin: Alright. I'll send it back.

Jason Mefford: Alright, I'll take my notes. I and I think I've kind of told you this before, but I'm serious. It's going through and having your help. At this time in my life, I am eternally grateful to you and for helping me get to where I am today. And I know where I'm gonna go because you've been instrumental or at least you know, tangentially as you've served. Tangentially, you have helped me to put together a lot of different puzzle pieces that I've been searching for for a long time and have helped me to get to where I am today. So anyway, I just wanted to make sure that got in here because I thank you. I know we don't talk a lot, but I wanted to express my gratitude to you.

Jim Fortin: Thank you. And that's somewhere we can go in our time together, and I really appreciate that because I can feel it. And thank you. You know, I just wanna start out and say every interview, I've not paid you. I've not told you what to say. You're just here because you want to be here. You know, and when I asked tcp'ers who wanted to be here, I had hundreds of people reach out and say, I would gladly, I want to be on the podcast. I want to share my story. So that's what we're gonna do. But I had, I have, and I had a list of questions that I go through to help people that are listening. And the last several interviews that I've done have gone and pretty much a standard direction. But I wanna talk about something and we'll see where it goes. The role that I play with people is kind of dualistic in that it's the 3D world, meaning more money, better health, getting a divorce, getting married, transforming your life, habits, values, subconscious identity, all these kinds of things. But didactically or another role that I'm playing is what you brought up and that's gonna appeal to a lot of people listening, is that in my observation, many people who come to work with me in the Transformational Coaching Program, they come because they want to improve some aspect of their 3D life, and they may identify as I'm spiritual. Because you know, inside T C P, it's all spiritualist in that group, right? Even though there's no dogma, none of that's loud. We don't talk religion because it's not religious, but there's no dogma and it's just what I call cosmic spiritual beings. Non-dogmatic coming to evolve and grow. So, there are many podcasts, almost 4 million downloads, which have that element that majority of people, like literally 95% that are looking for evolution of self. So, let's go there and let's talk about your evolution and you can share whatever you want, but I know that you used to live in LA.

Jason Mefford: Yep.

Jim Fortin: And I, by the way, everyone listening, I am not. Not, you probably already know where I'm going.

Jason Mefford: I know where you're going.

Jim Fortin: I'm not inviting you to move to Sedona, Arizona. We have enough people in this little bitty town with four and a half million visitors per year. Visiting is okay, but you move from LA to hear you got divorced. So, let's just dig in wherever you want to go. You take it apart. I'm gonna follow you. What's happened in your life in the last couple of years?

Jason Mefford: Yeah, so I guess I, I guess the snapshot is because I want to talk more about the evolution of self too, because I think there was there a transformative part when I something finally clicked for me. Yeah. And I started using what you had been teaching in a different way for my higher good. And that's what's made all the difference. But, you know, yeah, just kind of the 30,000-foot view of you know, where I've kind of come from. cause again, a lot of people that are listening might be similar to me. I joined T C P I think it was March of 2020.

Jim Fortin: Yeah.

Jason Mefford: They were the nice little Pandemic group.

Jim Fortin: Yeah.

Jason Mefford: And really kind of, you know, I was in T C P, Inner Circle, kind of did the alumni stuff up through, I think the end of last year.

Jim Fortin: And T S P as well, the business program.

Jason Mefford: Yeah. And I did they did the business program too.

Jim Fortin: Yeah.

Jason Mefford: And so, you know, I got into that and I, it's a longer story from me.

Jim Fortin: Wait, wait. Before you keep on going and we're gonna go

Jason Mefford: Yeah.

Jim Fortin: Let them know because a lot of people can relate. So, what I wanna ask, answer first before we go on. You were living what I call a 3D life, meaning job, work, home life, et cetera. Were you happy?

Jason Mefford: It depended, right? I mean, it would sometimes I was satisfied but I think because of the relationships that I was in or that I had chosen to be in.

Jim Fortin: Okay. Right,

Jason Mefford: Right.

Jim Fortin: Okay.

Jason Mefford: Because I, I chose it and I had to choose something different. Right.

Jim Fortin: Okay.

Jason Mefford: But because of what I had chosen to be in, I was living a very 3D life. Right? I mean, I've always, I always felt a lot of pressure to provide for family. You know, I didn't just get divorced. That was my second divorce, right? And I hope that I finally learned some of the lessons that I needed to learn from it. But, you know, for me, especially, I found a lot of, I had my identity wrapped up in being a good provider.

Jim Fortin: Okay?

Jason Mefford: And so, I put a lot of pressure on myself, my whole career, right? For the last 30 years on being a good provider, being able to provide for my wives, my kids, all this kind of stuff, right? So, LA is an expensive place to live. Right. So,

Jim Fortin: Well, by the way that, that sounds almost Middle Eastern when you talk about providing, or

Jason Mefford: Yeah.

Jim Fortin: I shouldn't say this, but I will almost Mormon out in the mountains providing for my wives and kids.

Jason Mefford: But hey, I grew up Mormon and I was married twice, but not at the same time.

Jim Fortin: Okay. Not to seven. Okay. Not dating seven others at the same time. Okay.

Jason Mefford: No, no different wives, different timeframes. Okay. So, I keep on going.

Jim Fortin: Sorry. I was gonna.

Jason Mefford: No, that's, it's too funny, right? Because I actually grew up Mormon. But yeah. And so, because of that, right? I felt this pressure and I mean; I was well paid in the corporate world.

Jim Fortin: Yeah.

Jason Mefford: Started my own business about 12 or 13 years ago, and I did all right. I mean, I did, I've done pretty good. I was a good provider, but I was working hard. Right. And I, and that was my main focus. And so obviously when I, when you wrapped your identity up into your job or to your career or in your business, right? As your business goes up, things are great, right? When things go down, not so great. Right? And so

Jim Fortin: Because we're living externally, we're living externally.

Jason Mefford: And so, I was living externally and had that tied up. And so again, that was one of the things that T C P really helped me do is to separate my job, separate my relationships. Separate myself, making money from my identity and getting much more familiar with and comfortable with who I actually am.

Jim Fortin: Hang on. Pivotal point because a lot of people listening can relate. They're into the hamster wheel of life. I've been there. And we learned that we have to get jobs and we have to provide, and we've gotta be all these roles. And many people use a word that I could have used a lot of years ago, and they say that living that life is soul sucking. It's just an example.

Jason Mefford: Amen, brother. Okay.

Jim Fortin: So, it's soul sucking. It's not that you're like entirely miserable or unhappy, but it's like you get on a treadmill every day and you're just tired and you're like, okay, one day down, we'll start again tomorrow. And there's no fulfillment. So I think a part of you and a part of a lot of people listening, because this is energetic and spiritual, you're looking for more, but you don't have the context to know, meaning the deeper frame to know that I am looking for more, which led you here. And then you never recognized, oh my gosh, this is where I needed to be. Is that there? Okay.

Jason Mefford: Yeah, exactly.

Jim Fortin: So, let's go back then too, so now you're in Sedona. You decided to leave LA a town of a, a city of 9 million or whatever. You moved to Sedona, a town of like 8,047 million tourists. And you're here now.

Jason Mefford: And I'm here now. And it was, you know, it was, I think because I was living so externally for a long time too, and I mean, yeah, every, everybody that's listening probably knows this too. There's, there is some fear, and it takes some courage to actually Yeah, make the changes and do the transformation. Right. And I was doing the work, right? And for a while. I, cause I'm the kind of person that sometimes I'll, I might be a little slow as I am processing in figuring out for sure what it is that I want to manifest. And then once I decide, gone, right? And so, I spent, you know, again, I mean, when I first got into T C P back in March of 2020, I already knew I wasn't happy in my marriage. And, you know, some of the,

Jim Fortin: Hang on at that point did you know that did, were you thinking, and you know, I interrupt for more clarity to bring more out for people listening.

Jason Mefford: Yeah.

Jim Fortin: So, you already knew you were unhappy in your marriage. 60% of people listening right now can relate to that. Now, were you on a stage right then where you're like, I want out. I don't know how to get out, I want out, I'm gonna get out. There's no question about it. Maybe I can make it work. Where were you in the relationship at that point?

Jason Mefford: Yeah, so I think, I mean, when I met her, I knew it was not going to be for the rest of my life. I just knew that energetically when we met, but I didn't know when it would end. Right. And so, I had these feelings for a while and there's a part of me because, you know, that whole structure that we're taught about, well, you gotta go to counseling and you gotta work through it, and you gotta do all these different things. Right? But for me it wasn't ever really that, right? It's not like she was an abusive person. My first wife was very emotionally abusive, right? Second wife, beautiful, lovely person, but energetically, we weren't a match.

Jim Fortin: Now, hang on, because people are already asking. They're saying if this guy knew that, because see, part of the illusion is we have to get married for life. And that's what we do. And my belief is we serve each other on a path as long as we're serving each other on that path. And then we move on to some area for life. Some are if you're in Hollywood for one day or two weeks, you know, so

Jason Mefford: The drunk in Vegas weekend, right? And it's like, oh no, we gotta get annulment. Yeah.

Jim Fortin: I mean, didn't Britney Spears get married for 24 hours or something? You know, but I, you know, people are wondering if the guy knew that it wasn't a longer-term thing, why would he put himself through the situation of knowing he's going to get a divorce later and all the hassle and everything else.

Jason Mefford: Yeah. And I think, again, part of it was I knew, but I didn't. I wasn't sure that the relationship had fully served its purpose. Right.

Jim Fortin: Okay.

Jason Mefford: And now that I am out of it, you know, I know that obviously there were certain things that I had to go through, certain lessons that I had to learn in the way that it was. But I did. I didn't know that at that time. Right. But I just knew that I wasn't happy. I knew that at some point it was going to end. I just didn't know when. Right.

Jim Fortin: Hang on. You said a relationship. You knew the relationship that not fully serve its purpose. Purpose for you, for her, for both of you? What do you mean?

Jason Mefford: Probably for both of us. I know for myself, right, that there were things in the last three years that I'd learned. And the ways that I grew up that I probably had to be with her and had to be in that situation to learn some of the lessons that I had to learn. And I sense, you know, again, I was useful for her as well, right? But again, that's her path. I don't know for sure. I just know for me, and I think sometimes, you know, I don't, I haven't beaten myself up either for, oh, I shouldn't have stayed that long. What an idiot.

Jim Fortin: Right? Yeah.

Jason Mefford: Because again, I know with certainty, right? There were things I was supposed to learn. I had no doubt I was supposed to be with her. And also, no doubt, when I kind of got that knowing come of now is the time.

Jim Fortin: Hang on. So, you said you weren't beating yourself up. Because let me back up here. What do you think she was saying to herself?

Jason Mefford: Honestly because of some things that she said I thought that she sensed and knew what was going on.

Jim Fortin: Okay.

Jason Mefford: Energetically 3D you can tell. I could tell that she knew energetically, but in 3D, she was oblivious to it.

Jim Fortin: You wanna explain for people listening, you understand what that means? I think, but what does that mean?

Jason Mefford: Yeah. So, and it kind of ties back to as far as why I chose to stay maybe longer than I needed to. And because of the way that I exited the relationship as well. Right. Is. For her, you know, and I think I've heard you say something about this too, right? That a lot of times security people talk about security and especially women want security and to feel safe in a relationship.

Jim Fortin: Yeah.

Jason Mefford: And you know, I know from my relationships and from coaching other people as well, 99.9% of the time when a woman says that it's about money. Money is what they feel gives them safety and security. And so, from a 3D perspective, I mean, she was having, she was mentioning things to me about things that were coming up in her dreams. I mean, here's an example. It was our anniversary a year or two ago, so I had planned a little getaway to Ojai, which is a great place in California to go.

Jim Fortin: Love Ojai.

Jason Mefford: Yeah, it's a great little place. I prepaid for the hotel. And the night before we were supposed to go, she got sick and so Well, it's already paid for. I'm going right.

Jim Fortin: Oh my.

Jason Mefford: Because I'm not gonna, I know I'm just kind of a hard ass. Right. But no, I.

Jim Fortin: Okay, so Jason, I can see problems here. Okay. We're going on our honeymoon away. You're sick. I don't give a shit. I'm paid for going on vacation anyway. Okay.

Jason Mefford: It sounds really harsh, but again, I had that feeling that I needed to be in Ojai.

Jim Fortin: But hang on. So, everyone listened if I had, number one is I would not move to California. No way. No how? Hell no. But secondly, if I had to move, I would move to Ojai. The frequency is very soothing, very comfortable. It's a higher frequency in Ojai. So, I'm guessing you knew, I, even though you might not have consciously known 3d, I need to be in that frequency. So therefore, that's not 3D. You did go for the healing and the bathing in that frequency. Okay. Keep on going.

Jason Mefford: Yeah. And there was, there were some things that I did, some artifacts that I found always as well that way.

Jim Fortin: Yeah. Always.

Jason Mefford: So, so yeah, I knew energetically and from my higher self that I needed to go. And so again, it sounds from a 3D it sounds pretty harsh,

Jim Fortin: Right?

Jason Mefford: But you know, if she gets sick, 3D for no apparent reason, not really sick, but before we're about to go, it was the same way that she would get sick a lot of times before she had to go to work, right? There's that whole thing where a lot of people start not feeling well on Sunday night, right? And so, most of the days that they miss work are Mondays. And so, I could see this pattern in her in other ways too. And so, it was like, huh, well this is interesting that she gets sick right before this, you know, anniversary trip. And while I was gone, right? I went and did what I needed to do when I came back home.

Jim Fortin: Let's back up again. Sorry guys for listening. All you are listening, sorry.

Jason Mefford: No, they know Jim because they've listened long enough and you do this all, you.

Jim Fortin: Look at that, but I'm getting clarity. Look at the metaphor here. It wasn't just a weekend, it was your anniversary, which people call the solidification of a relationship, and you went there alone on your anniversary, and she didn't go look at that metaphor for the complete relationship and then where it ended up going. Secondly, look at this, with her not being there, you did things there that you probably wouldn't have done had she been there, which means whatever artifacts you came in contact with while there, you probably would not have come into contact with them if she was there with you. Therefore, it was all orchestrated from a spiritual, energetic level outside of your 3D thinking, and it happened exactly as it needed to happen.

Jason Mefford: Exactly as it needed to happen and then when you threw AYNI on top of it, when I got home, she had this heart.

Jim Fortin: Her bags were packed.

Jason Mefford: No, her bags weren't packed. No. She had liked this ceramic heart art piece that was hanging on the wall while I was gone. That piece fell off the wall. Yeah. And broke in two. So again, when I got home, it's like, so like I said, there were energetic things that she, I know she was tuning into, but her 3D did not want to admit it. And so, she was like

Jim Fortin: Alright.

Jason Mefford: With her fingers in her ears.

Jim Fortin: Yeah.

Jason Mefford: Full time.

Jim Fortin: Yeah. cause we, all of us listening, I mean, I'm not there. I think you're moving out of that. We don't want to give up what we think we're attached to. And that would be the security, the money, the enablement, and the relationships. Somebody to cook dinner. The stability, the comfort of the old shoe per se. Or as a metaphor. So, we don't want to give that up. So, we put our fingers in the ear saying, I'm not hearing it.” I'm not hearing it. But yet when you look, actually not look, when you see, you see every sign in front of you telling you the doorway's open to create something new when it's time to park. So, you were literally, you were seeing, you were observing, hey, I'm seeing things that are actually guiding me to go to the next step in life.

Jason Mefford: Yep.

Jim Fortin: I did all this for people listening because they don't know your world and my world, but this is how I live every day. You're becoming more accustomed to it. And so many of us live our lives trapped. But this is the classic example of how we live trapped for a lifetime and we die live the planet just unfulfilled, unhappy, regretful because we're not living. Sorry, Jason, all yours again.

Jason Mefford: No, and it was the same thing. I mean, not, you know, not to throw her under the bus cause I'm not trying to do that, but I was just as guilty in it too. Right? Because again,

Jim Fortin: Of course,

Jason Mefford: I mean, I told you that my identity was wrapped up into being the provider. And so, I've provided for her, I pretty much provided a hundred percent, you know, of her financial support while we were together for the most part, right? So, so there was part of me that even though I was seeing these clues and I knew it was coming and I knew it was getting closer, I didn't know for sure when. Right. So, I was kind of, part of me was hanging on energetically until I, I got the knowing and confirmation kind of from spirit, but there was also a 3D side of it for me too.

Jim Fortin: Yeah of course.

Jason Mefford: Right. Because I know in my, you know, my first marriage, I joke that I gave her half of everything I had when we got divorced. And through circumstances I gave her half of everything else the next year. So, a year after divorce, the first time I had nothing was starting over from scratch. And at that point I kind of said, I'm never doing this again. And so, with the second marriage, right, I knew that in order to get out of the relationship, I was gonna pretty much have to give up or leave everything and start over again. I really didn't wanna do that.

Jim Fortin: It's easier to stay. It's easy to stay.

Jason Mefford: Yeah. It's easier to stay a lot of times. And so again, there was that 3D part of me and obviously I was kind of trying to suppress it back, but when I got the spiritual confirmation, I was like done over, I don't, you know, I'm gonna leave that behind, that fear behind of, gosh, what are people gonna say? Jason's an asshole because he isn't supporting this woman anymore. And gosh, you got married and you're supposed to, you know, love and support each other until death do you part. Right. And, you know, all these different things that people could say about me. What a loser. He's been divorced twice now. There must be something wrong with him. Right. Okay.

Jim Fortin: Everyone listens and there'd be a lot of people who don't say any of that. Okay. Yeah, I'm kidding.

Jason Mefford: But hey, if you direct it my way, it's gonna just bounce off. I'm Teflon on this now. Right. Because I knew that I had to do that. It was the same thing with my first marriage when I gave up my kids.

Jim Fortin: Yeah. That's hard.

Jason Mefford: Right. And in that I wasn't gonna be the dad who made my kids choose or feel pulled back and forth. And yes, I had visitation rights, but I pretty much said, look, you know, you guys are gonna have to live with your mother. I'm not gonna fight it. And so, at that point, I effectively kind of gave up my relationship with my kids. Three of the four kids I haven't talked to in 13 or 14 years. Right. Again, a lot of people who look at me or who know that about me might be like, well, you're a deadbeat dad, you're a piece of shit dad. And it's like, no, I actually did that. You know, my intention was I knew that was gonna be better for my kids in the end because I didn't want them to have to get pulled back and forth. Right? And so, I kind of approached the second time around the same way of, I can't be worried about what other people might think or might say about me. I just have to do what's right for me.

Jim Fortin: So, if you lived in that worry, and by the way, for everyone listening, everyone has to do what's right for them and the way they choose it. So, you could sit here and say, well, you know what, Jason, if you really wanted to be a dad, you could have worked that out. But you know what? We're not in your head. We don't know your karma, we don't know your reasoning, we don't know all these things, and it's so easy to judge from the outside. So, if you held on to this fear of what people think and you held onto it, do you think you would've left the relationship that was unbecoming unhealthy for you?

Jason Mefford: The second one.

Jim Fortin: Okay. Whichever was.

Jason Mefford: Yes, I would've because, but only because of the strength that I've received and the spiritual growth that I've had to where I'm at the point of, even though I might be scared in the 3D, even though I might not want to do it in the 3D, when Spirit talks to me and I know I'm gonna do it, I don't care. I'm gonna do it. And I'm gonna let the chips fall where they fall. Right. Because I've already had enough relationships that have orbited away. And I'm okay with it. I'm okay with myself. I'm okay being by myself if I need to be, even though I'm never alone. Right. But if I need to be by myself, I'm by myself. And realize, because I've had enough relationships that have ended that I'm not afraid of relationships ending cause I'm fine by myself.

Jim Fortin: Well, they're always gonna end when you leave them,

Jason Mefford: They're always gonna end anyway. Right. I'm and what always, yeah. Or what always happens is Yeah. New relationships come along. Yeah. Right. I mean, I'm old enough now that I've seen this over and over and over again. Right. And, you know, even if I lose all my money. And like I said, with the divorces and some other financial troubles and the bankruptcy thrown in there, I've done it. I've had to start over a lot in my life already. I didn't want to have to do it again, but hey, spirit says, this is what you're gonna do, and I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be just fine.

Jim Fortin: Starting over. You start over every single day when you wake up, that's a restart. It's not that we tend to look at life, seven years in this career, 14 years in the marriage, whatever. And we don't wanna start over, but you start over every day. So, people who stay in those places or in the rat race and the hamster wheel, but they don't even know they're there. Let's go here like an intermission, but with a question. All contributed to your strength, your clarity, your vision, and your mental resourcefulness. It doesn't matter whether I helped or did not. It does not matter what contributed to that because most people can't find that strength and the courage to do something differently. How did that come for you?

Jason Mefford: So, I think this kind of goes back to this term evolution of self that you kind of threw out at the beginning too, is HAVE DO or BE DO HAVE. Right?

Jim Fortin: BE DO HAVE, yeah,

Jason Mefford: BE DO HAVE

Jim Fortin: Yeah.

Jason Mefford: I was conceptualizing that from a 3D perspective and I think, kind of like you said, right, a lot of people that may come, originally they come cause they're like, oh yeah, I want more money, so Jim, teach me how to be a different person so I can make more money. Right. They usually come at it with some end expectation. Some hope that often there's a, an attachment to a particular outcome. And I think what really changed for me was when I just chose to be without any expectation of what I was gonna have, but that everything I was going to do, I was gonna do based on some of these behaviors. And you know, again, I've learned some of this from you and through T C P, but I've learned some of it outside as well.

Jim Fortin: Sure.

Jason Mefford: But a lot of the ways of being or characteristics are our higher self. Right? So, all the fear, the despair, the depression, that's our tonal, that's the lower thinking, that's the body taking over. Those are the emotions from that.

Jim Fortin: And hang on. So, people listening don't understand what NAGUAL and TONAL is. So TONAL is basically your ego. Your ego identification. It's saying your ego is Jason. My ego is Jim.

Jason Mefford: Yep.

Jim Fortin: That's our 3D bag of skin. That is what's called the TONAL. Then N A G U A L is the higher self-part of us. We have both parts. We're dualistic. So, your TONAL was saying all the reasons to be in all these kinds of things, but at a higher level the NAGUAL is saying, the higher part of you, here's your steps and let's just get moving.

Jason Mefford: Yeah. Well, and so when I started really focusing on doing everything that I do with ways of being, like I say some things to myself, there's different little your affirmations in a way, kind of I am statements that I do to myself over time. And so, I remember, in fact, I actually have like one of these little cards. On my desk, right? That has ways, different ways of being and a reminder of what I'm gonna do. And so, this one happens to say love, right? So, I remind myself that I am in love and everything I do with love, right? I am respectful, I am loving, I am kind. I am compassionate in everything I do. And so, when I started actually incorporating that more into everything I do is from a place of love, from a place of compassion, kindness, respect, right to everything. And again, I don't do it right every day. But when I started doing that in the little things in life,

Jim Fortin: Which is your way of being, your way of being, your way of being is driving you’re doing, which drives your having, which is your outcome.

Jason Mefford: Right? And so, so as a simple example, right? If I can, I have to wash dishes. cause, you know, you cook you eat, you don't have to, right? I'm a tiny person. I like to have my dishes washed, right? And not have a smelly kitchen.

Jim Fortin: Okay?

Jason Mefford: So, when I wash the dishes, I can wash the dishes and be like, oh man, I really hate washing dishes.

Jim Fortin: Yeah.

Jason Mefford: This is such a pain in the butt, right? No. When I wash dishes, my intention is I sit there and as I'm washing the dishes, man, I'm grateful for running water that I have to be able to wash these dishes. I'm grateful that I have a dish to eat on, right? And forks. I didn't have to eat with my hands. You know, I'm grateful that I had the food that I was able to eat, right? So, so as I'm doing these little doings, and that's mundane, that's not like, right, just even mundane things. The more I started showing up and being different in the mundane things without any expectation, just showing up and being grateful and doing it from a place of love, other things started happening that I never would've anticipated.

Jim Fortin: Because you're living in gratitude. And let me throw a caveat in there for people listening, I do the same thing and I think I know where you learn part of this. We'll get there in a moment. But for example, just prior to this, I went to Whole Foods in town, you know where Whole Foods is. And so, I left my house, that's a brand-new construction, four and a half thousand square foot home that's on two acres of land bordering federal land. I hopped at my Mercedes-Benz AMG, and drove to Whole Foods, all 3D things. You know what I gave gratitude for most? Is the ability that or it's that I had the ability to even do that, to walk in the Whole Foods to drive myself. Those are things that we dismiss in life. The simple functions. Washing dishes, you're lucky, you have dishes, you're fortunate, you have water, you're fortunate, you have shelter, you're fortunate you have food. But yet most of us sit there and complain all day long about how bad something is when we should be, I'm not gonna use the word should, but we could be. We could choose to be grateful in that moment. So, you're being, and I say it, thank you for being here, Jason, because I say it, people don't get it, but you're being in gratitude with simplicity. And that's what brings more into life. All these 3D things we chase. It's not that it's not the doing, it's the simplicity of the way of being. You have a comment going there.

Jason Mefford: Well, cause I was gonna say, cause this goes back to the evolution of self and again I'm not saying this for any judgment to anyone, because I've done this, I still fall into the trap of this sometimes, but when we're trying to be a certain way and do certain things because we want a particular outcome, we're always blocking ourself. And so again, I saw that for me, right? That you know, yes, I'm gonna show up and I'm gonna be decisive so I can make more money in my business and have more revenue. Right.

Jim Fortin: Is that what we all do like this at home?

Jason Mefford: People can't see if, you can't see if they're just listening. But I'm doing my little. But I think I found myself kind of falling into that trap, right? And so, again, it's like you're doing something with an expectation. Even though sometimes we trick ourselves and we think that we're not, it's like, well, today I'm gonna show up and I'm gonna be more decisive. I'm gonna be more committed because I want this right. And when I let that go, my whole life changed when I just showed up. Right? To be grateful. Just to be grateful. It has nothing to do with money, it has nothing to do with people liking me. It's just because I want to be that kind of person. I want to live from my higher self and the minute that I did that without any expectation, things totally changed. The peace in my life, the harmony. You know, the simple things of, excuse me. I know a lot of people, they get kind of wrapped around in the axle, like, there's so many different things I have to do, and oh my gosh, I gotta do this practice and I gotta spend this amount of time meditating, and then I gotta go do this, and I gotta read and I gotta blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right? And the minute that I just said, you know what? Fuck it all, right. I am just going to sit in gratitude, in peace, in love, for as much of the day as I can. So, when I'm sitting out on my porch and I look at my trees and I'm like, thank you for being here. You're so beautiful you provide me Shade. Tree doesn't care. Tree's not gonna give me anything per se. But if I. It gives, well, it does, right? I mean, there is AYNI and reciprocity with it. But I'm not telling the tree. It's beautiful and I love it because I'm expecting it to give me oxygen.

Jim Fortin: Yeah.

Jason Mefford: It's because I actually feel it. Right. And I feel the connectedness with it or whatever it might be. You know, the little bunny running down the street, or the person that I ran into with Whole Foods or wherever I happen to be. Right. And always kind of do things from a place of love. And I think, you know, we were talking about the second marriage, and I, like I said I held out longer than I probably should have from a 3D perspective. I would've rather gotten away a long time ago, but I hadn't gotten to that point in my life until the last year and a half. And so, my first marriage, I was bitter. There was a lot of other stuff that was going on. The second one, I did everything, and I saw it as an opportunity to go through it from a place of love, not get bitter, right? It is what it is. There's no one to blame. Do everything from a place of love and kindness, right? As much as I could. And again, sometimes my ex is going to think, you know, still doesn't think that I'm being very kind to her when I'm right. Like kind of pushing her away because if she's trying to be too needy, she's gotta, she's gotta have that separation and the distance cause that's the kindest thing to do, right? So, she can get through and process it quicker. But you know, it gave me an opportunity to go through it way different than I did before. Right. And so, you know, when I was done, when the, I mean, I don't have any residual. It's like that part of my life doesn't even exist. You know, it's only been, you know, now on this recording, two, two months technically since I've physically, you know, moved from LA and been away, but I don't even remember that life anymore.

Jim Fortin: I, I get I understand.

Jason Mefford: I don't have any baggage. I don't have any, I don't have any shame about it because I was able to go through that whole process from a place of love and kindness, and so I'm done. I didn't bring any of it with me. It's gone.

Let me segue here for just one moment. As you're listening to every single person in this eight-part series. You're going to hear the same thing. And I know you're going to hear the same thing. That is because I asked them all and I asked them, would you have gotten the same transformation from the podcast that you got from the live program, working with me and my coaches. Every single one of them, as you will hear, emphatically says no. Absolutely not. I've said it a lot of times. Listening to the podcast I appreciate it seriously, very, very much. And I know that it's helpful when it comes to gathering information. But you know what it doesn't transform your life from the inside out. Because you don't currently have the context to assimilate all the information.

As you're listening to different interview episodes. You'll hear people that have been through my program multiple times say that they missed a lot of it. The first time. Because they weren't the kind of person to get it, to understand it. And then later episodes and in time with me, meaning their episodes with me and more time with me and my coaching. They get it at a deeper level, and it starts to become part of their permanent behavior. That's not to say you won't start changing right away when you and I start working together. And my team and I started working with you, however, there's a difference between listening to something and actually putting it into practice. And that's what we do in the Transformational Coaching Program.

Things you're listening to hear we put into practice. But in the Transformational Coaching Program right here, you're only getting like 5% of what I talk about in the transformational coaching program. And the program we like literally opens the doors big time. And dig into what's causing you to be stuck in life. So, you can listen all day long. But I'm telling you right now, you don't know, what's keeping you stuck why because it's subconscious. And that's where we help you in a live program. So, if you're serious and I do mean serious about your life transformation. That goes beyond just listening to the podcast. Transformation needs to be necessary in order for us to take action on it. It must be necessary that we create a better life. And if you're serious about a better quality of life. Then get on the wait list for my live Transformational Coaching Program. Go to jimfortin.com/tcp the acronym stands for the Transformational Coaching Program jimfortin.com/tcp Okay back to the episode.

Jim Fortin: Let me ask you something, Jason, because so many people listen because it's a little, I don't know the right word, frustrating or what, but it is what it is. People running around saying things like, I'm a shaman, I'm a money shaman. I'm this shaman, I'm a that shaman. And I'm kinda like, are you freaking kidding me? Number one, a shaman would never say that, but you've spent time with Don Xavier, and a lot of people are very curious about a real shaman, people that listen to the podcast. Let me ask you something and I'll pull this back to your story and tie it back in. You've spent some time with him. Did he ever ask you for anything at that time?

Jason Mefford: Nope.

Jim Fortin: No.

Jason Mefford: He never asked me for anything. He's never told me to do anything.

Jim Fortin: Did he give and give and give and give in the time that you're with him?

Jason Mefford: Absolutely. And he gives way more than I can comprehend or consciously process.

Jim Fortin: Yeah. Did you feel love and honored and respected when you were with him?

Jason Mefford: Yeah. In fact, I mean, there's times that it just hits me like it did the other day. I mean, just the immense amount of gratitude and love and I just started crying.

Jim Fortin: Yeah.

Jason Mefford: I just sitting on my porch.

Jim Fortin: That's hitting me now because I have been with him 28 years and he and I were talking, you know, because he is my brother-in-law, we chat sometimes late at night just via text and chatting back and forth. And one time I said something about becoming a shaman about a year ago, and I wish I had the text or I've saved it somewhere, but he said the way that I became a shaman is that I lived my life in Anima Mundi, A N I M A M U N D I. Now you're living your life in Anima Mundi. And for what? The list for listeners, what that means is you're living in connection to everything on the planet, the water, the birds, people, the land, everything, you're a part of the process, not apart from the process, cannibalizing the process or being a vulture in the process or capitalizing on the process. You're being a part of the process of life and that's what you're living. And so many of us don't live that way. The masses don't live that way. And then they wonder why they're unhappy. Yeah. Your take on that, what you would like to add?

Jason Mefford: No, and it's funny because some people kinda ask me sometimes, well, what is spirituality anyway? And one of the ways that I kind of describe it, which is a little off the wall is connectedness. That when you are truly on a spiritual path or you're making things sacred, there is connectedness. Right. So again, it's like, I mean, silly little example. Right. But it's like, I honor and respect everything. I, my intention is to do that, even to the point that, you know, the last couple of days, and it comes and goes. Mosquitoes have come to me the last couple of days, and they bite me, and I have lots of bite marks, but I just get little, like these little red dots. And so instead of getting all, you know, slapping 'em, trying to kill 'em, I know that when the mosquitoes show up, they're bringing me medicine. They're bringing me medicine; they're taking something away. They'll be here for a few days and then they're gonna go away. cause it's happened to me enough times that's the case. So, right. I'm not going to get all frantic and start swatting 'em to kill 'em. Now I do have some rules with them that I have told them. Right. Like, not right in front of my face, not buzzing in my ear. Right. Stay away from the front of my face. Don't buzz in my ear. Have free reign anywhere else. Right. So, if they break that, sorry. You know, same thing I had some spiders in my house.

Jim Fortin: Time to ascend. Right. You broke the rule.

Jason Mefford: Yeah. Time. Time to ascend spiders. Yep. But right. I wasn't running around like, oh, I'm gonna kill these little guys. Right. It was, I set an intention and I kind of communicated to all of them and said, you know, I'm sorry, but you can live outside, but you can't be inside my house. You've got two days to go. I'm,

Jim Fortin: What is this? The sheriff's gonna come and

Jason Mefford: No, and then I'm fogging the house, right? But it was, again it's what my intention is of being connected, of being with even the little things like mosquitoes and spiders or the trees or dogs or other people, right? Because we are all the same and we are all connected. You know what I do to you, right?

Jim Fortin: I've done to me,

Jason Mefford: I've, I'm doing to me, but I'm also doing to everyone else, right? So, like, yeah. And so even from a place of service, right? It's like if I serve you, I'm serving you, but I'm not just serving you. I'm serving all the people you come in contact with. And I'm serving the whole universe. And while I am serving you and the universe, I am also serving myself. Because you and I are one. If I hurt you, I hurt myself. If I love you, I love myself.

Jim Fortin: Yeah.

Jason Mefford: And I think that's a concept that, again, a lot of people that are, you know, new age spiritualists and just think, oh, you know, I'm doing these mantras and I'm sitting on my mat for an hour a day. It's like, that's great, but what are you doing with the rest? You know, if you sit on your mat for an hour a day, great. What are you doing the other 23 hours?

Jim Fortin: Bitching at the dog and honking?

Jason Mefford: Are you bitching at the dog and honking and judging other people? Or are you really trying to live and I'm not perfect? I got it wrong. I get pissed sometimes.

Jim Fortin: I've got a class on that coming up. I can show you.

Jason Mefford: You do. But again, it's my intention to spend as much of every day and just do a little bit better every day.

Jim Fortin: Yeah.

Jason Mefford: And when I do that, I feel the peace. But I also feel the peace and the people that are around me too.

Jim Fortin: Let me ask you something, Jason. We're running out of time, so a lot of people are listening, and I have been there for all the years prior to meeting Don Xavier. My whole life is 3D. I want. My thing was I want to be successful, and that means homes and cars and all the things I have today. These things don't make me a success at all, and I have air quote, I have until I leave the planet more than most people. It has nothing to do with success. Success is the evolution of myself, but we also deserve abundance in the 3D world. How did our time together in T C P help you with the functionality of your 3D world and your transformation there?

Jason Mefford: Yeah, so I think it's funny because it's. It would go up and down. Right. Business goes up and down. I mean, I probably you know, at least the first part of T C P I probably doubled or tripled my revenue and my business Right. By going through like the business program and everything else, and some of the things I was doing. And then, you know, it dropped and then it goes back up. Right? And it's like, I think, you know, again I've seen the 3D impacts monetarily. But for me, it's not about that. Right. It's I've gotten to the point where I know I will always be supported.

Jim Fortin: Beautiful. Yep.

Jason Mefford: And I'm a simple guy, you know, I'm not a fancy guy. I don't need much temporarily.

Jim Fortin: You don't need to get razors, right?

Jason Mefford: Yeah. Well, a little bit on the sides there. Okay.

Jim Fortin: You don't need any Gillette, Hicks or whatever. Okay.

Jason Mefford: But I've gotten to the point where I don't need, but I'm always provided for

Jim Fortin: Jason. This is, there's so many profound things you're saying. I say it all the time, but we don't hear something till we hear it. We hear things in a particular way at a particular time when we hear it. You just said something that I say differently, but the way you said it, let me synopsize from my side to need nothing is to have everything, and that seems to be where you're working towards or keeping your attention on needing nothing, which then shifts how and who you're being, which then brings everything that people chase and work so damn hard. And the 3D to create and it ain't that hard.

Jason Mefford: No. And it's, I mean, I've talked to two people this week, you know, kind of from a coaching standpoint of what I do, the kind of people that I typically serve. But it was, what's funny is they were doing the same thing that I was doing, which again, kind of goes back to some of the stuff again that I learned and practiced from you, is that separating my identity from my job and my career.

Jim Fortin: That's hard for most people.

Jason Mefford: It's hard to do. It's hard to come over.

Jim Fortin: Somebody came over Sunday, a college fraternity brother, 30 years of not him and his wife, and she quit her job because they, it does matter. She quit her job and she went; I don't get it my entire identity is wrapped up in my job. And so many of us see ourselves as that identity. That's not who we are. That's what this bag of skin does, but it's not who we are. Keep on going with your perspective on that, please.

Jason Mefford: Yeah, so I mean, I, I think because of that, right. It's like, you know, that's part of doing the work and the evolution of self is to separate ourselves. But I see so many people in that trap that they're not happy in their job, they're not happy in their marriage, they're not happy in the whatever. And it's usually, it's an identity issue, right? Yeah. And we have to. We have to separate from that. We have to love ourselves. We have to do the work, or you have to do those little things each day if you want to do that. But once you can finally decouple that, and I guess maybe that's kind of from a financial standpoint. Cause again, it's not saying I don't want to be a gazillionaire and you know what, have whatever I need and always be able to support, you know, other people maybe if I need to. But it's not necessarily about that anymore because who I have nothing to do with how much or how little I have. It has nothing to do with the car I drive, the house I live in where I live. Who my friends are is what I look like. Right. I mean, yeah, you, I mean, yeah. You were joking because yeah. I need to shave the side parts. Right. But it's been like a week because it's not really that important to me. Right. Yeah. Whether I shave or not. But anyway, so

Jim Fortin: I can guess your level of importance by looking at you right now. It's not important to me.

Jason Mefford: There's other things that are more important to me than that.

Jim Fortin: Yeah, I get it. And let's wrap up here. And, you know, I talk a lot about identity and in T C P I have to talk more about 3D identity because I have to meet people where they are and that's where they are. And when people aren't happy in life, they don't, they're broke, all these kinds of things. They fight the circumstance. It's not the circumstance, it's the, and this is what I say more than anything else in the world. Okay, listen, we want to edit. Hang on. When I, after the point where I said anything in the world is, it all comes down to our identity. Because our identity affects what we do. What we do affects what we have. Now, our time together didn't go the direction as most of them, but it went exactly where it needs to go and where it needs to go is whenever this episode airs, we'll let you know. Those that are listening will hear what they need to hear, including my dog barking in the background because my contractor just showed up. But those that need to hear will hear what they need to hear and the sequence, those that listen, because they need to listen. Those that don't, they didn't need to listen to this. You know if Don Xavier. Even those of us that work with him, we all gather at the same time. And there are times that, you know, some of us might've been traveling on business or whatever, and they said long ago, that's fine. Those that needed to be here for that were here. Those that didn't need to be here, were not here. And the same thing with people listening. And what you brought was a very profound message because my biggest takeaway for listeners is you live from an Anima Mundi and that is connection to everything. When you live from that, you don't need it anything and any, and everything comes to you. Any final thoughts you wanna share with people listening?

Jason Mefford: No, I think that's a, that, that's a great way to kind of do it. And I think too with the identity is, you know, I think especially in the 3D, right? People say, well, I'm a father, I'm a grandfather, I'm a son. I'm a husband, I'm a wife, I'm whatever. Right. But we aren't and, or I am a C P A or whatever. Right. And the sooner that you can start to distance yourself or realize that who you really are is not those 3D labels. Yeah. I have children, I have grandchildren.

Jim Fortin: Those are the roles you play.

Jason Mefford: Those are roles I play, but that's not who I am right. And so, for me, you know, it's not as hard to be single or be divorced. Cause I've never identified as strongly of being a husband as maybe other people do.

Jim Fortin: But you identified with being a provider.

Jason Mefford: But I did identify with being a provider and that was a hard thing for me to give up.

Jim Fortin: And we've a lot of time, but what I want people to look at, that’s an identity issue is that at some point in your past as a kid, you learn that it's important to me, for me to be a provider. And that identity foundation drove everything else in your 3D world. And until you let go of that identity of having to be the provider, you couldn't let go of anything else.

Jason Mefford: Yep. And I've let go of that now, at least I think so, until the next thing, until the next lesson comes to me.

Jim Fortin: But it's an evolution.

Jason Mefford: It's an evolution.

Jim Fortin: So yeah, I mean there's so many things that Don Xavier has gotten, and you know, I mentioned it because people want the, we're living in a world where people are craving for the higher wisdom and the higher, some people are craving the higher wisdom and the higher knowledge. And I got this comment that cracked me up over on YouTube saying that I must be running a multi-level marketing program because I talk about Don Xavier, and I'm like, well, I do that to help people. He didn't charge a damn penny except when you do consultation, and it only charges you once. And after that there's no charge. I'm doing it because people want to grow. We're to place in planetary history and evolution where we're looking, people are looking for the evolution. And this interview has been very much that and thank you so much for being here. But is there anyone parting though you wanna leave with people and where can they find you?

Jason Mefford: I mean, I think for me it feels complete. And like I said, part of, again, my connectedness and my wanting to be and show gratitude is again, to come on to the podcast, to help you if I can and to serve other people in any way because I have received. So, I want to give, you know, as well,

Jim Fortin: Let me add there for people listening, even though we're having a conversation, I learned this years ago from this guy named Don Xavier, this shaman, this bag of skin. And I learned many years ago that everything is about reciprocity. And if I just don't take, but I give and give pretty soon, it's like a t m. You keep taking money out. There's no money in. So, in the event people are listening and they resonate with you and they're looking for a coach. cause I don't coach one-to-one. How can they find you?

Jason Mefford: The easiest way is social media, LinkedIn, or Facebook. And the really easy way is my website, jasonmefford.com. It's just my name.com.

Jim Fortin: You wanna spell for them to get it?

Jason Mefford: J A S O N M E F F O R D .com. Yeah. cause a lot of people are gonna,

Jim Fortin: They would've missed two D; they would've missed two F's. And they're all set.

Jason Mefford: Two F two F's. Yeah. Two, two Fs. Two Fs in the name. But yeah, just type my name into Google and I will be nine in the top 10 and you'll be able to find me some way. So, there's contact forms out there.

Jim Fortin: What do you coach on? What's your topic of expertise?

Jason Mefford: Well, so I've traditionally helped executives, right? because I used to be a corporate executive. But a lot of it is even kind of what I call, like self-leadership. And controlling yourself and realizing that you are usually the problem that you're having with other people.

Jim Fortin: Love it.

Jason Mefford: But, you know, there, there's that. I mean, I do all kinds of stuff. I'm an enigma international man of mystery so yeah. Reach out if you're interested.

Jim Fortin: Is that a paste on beard that you're wearing? So, you like,

Jason Mefford: NO, this is real. It's real. Look at that. Okay.

Jim Fortin: So that's not an enigma that's not, okay. It's not like your identity hiding or anything. Okay.

Jason Mefford: No, it's me. You got me just the way I am.

Jim Fortin: Thank you.

Jason Mefford: Yeah.

Jim Fortin: Thank you for visiting today. Seriously, what a beautiful conversation to, to share your journey with other people. It doesn't matter where our time went in terms of my perspective, because I know people are getting what they need to get for where they are on their path at this moment. So, thank you. And I'll see you in town, or I'll see you at a family event or something when you know Don Xavier invites everybody together. I'll see you soon. So, we only live a mile apart.

Jason Mefford: I know.

Jim Fortin: So, you could probably walk here.

Jason Mefford: So, I walk up the hill. I think, Ryan,

Jim Fortin: I walk in the National Forest; I border the National Forest. Just walk up here from Sunset.

Jason Mefford: Yeah.

Jim Fortin: But I'll catch you somewhere in town. I'll reach out and I'll tell you soon, my brother.

Jason Mefford: Sounds good. Thanks.

Jim Fortin: Thanks, Jason. I'll talk to you soon. Okay

Jason Mefford: All right, thanks.

Jim Fortin: Okay, take care.

Thank you for listening. And I do want to remind you. If you're serious. I mean serious about your life transformation. And creating a much better quality of life. Then whatever you do get on the wait list for my Transformational Coaching Program. Let me ask you a question. Do you want to create a significantly better, healthier, wealthier, better relationships, kind of life for yourself? As you're thinking about that, there's only one answer. It's yes. Or it's not. Anything else is an excuse. And your excuses are what keep you trapped and in your old way. If you're serious about creating a much better experience of life, it's not about excuses. It's about taking action. That being said, get on my wait list for my live Transformational Coaching Program. Go to jimfortin.com/tcp and get on the wait list. And we'll let you know when we open the doors again. Thank you for listening and I'll catch you over on another episode. Bye-bye.

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